by Michael E. Salla, PhD
December 16, 2004

from Exopolitics Website

What follows is based on recent correspondence with Charles Hall from December 5-14, 2004 where he answers a number of questions, regarding the existence of ’Tall White’ extraterrestrials that he met while serving at Nellis Air Force base as a duty weather observer from 1965-67. His experiences are recorded in his three volume set of books, Millennial Hospitality (for details see http://members.lycos.co.uk/Charles_Hall/).

I had personally interviewed him on December 2 and summarized his responses from my interview notes to gain a general impression of Charles Hall. I found Charles Hall to be a credible witness of extraterrestrials that he met while serving at Nellis AFB, and he displayed remarkable qualities of integrity and fidelity in explaining the events that occurred.

In this correspondence with Charles Hall, I asked a set of questions on December 5, which he answered by email on December 12. I then sent some follow up questions which he answered on December 14. My aim in this correspondence was to focus of the activities of the ’Tall Whites ’ and their interactions with the US Air Force (USAF) in terms of better understanding the details of their trade and technological exchanges.

The questions and answers from this correspondence have been thematically organized, and grammatical corrections have been made. I begin this paper with the questions and answers supplied by Charles Hall. I finish this paper with my evaluation of his correspondence which I believe is vitally important in gaining a better idea of the political implications of the Tall White’s secret trade and technology agreements with US military/government authorities.

M.S. -  Michael Salla
C.H.  -  Charles Hall

M.S. You describe the Tall Whites  as building scout crafts using materials found on Earth. Can you elaborate on how you came to know this information?

C.H. This information is based on my personal observations. In book two I describe the afternoon when The Teacher and Range Four Harry were showing me the inside of one of the scout craft. Many of the items, such as the seats and the overhead compartments still carried the mold markings placed on them by various American industries such as Boeing Aircraft and Lockheed Corporation. The overhead compartments were obviously "off-the-shelf" items from companies such as Airstream Corporation. Many of the clothing items that the Tall Whites  were wearing were obviously purchased straight out of the Sears and Montgomery Wards Catalogs.

M.S. Can you name some of the materials used by the Tall Whites , and what role
did the US military play in supplying these materials?

C.H. One of the big items was children’s clothing. In the mid 1960’s, on at least one occasion the USAF purchased more than $600,000 worth of children’s clothing from the Sears stores and warehouse in Los Angeles, California, picked it up in Government trucks, and shipped it to Indian Springs Auxiliary Field, Nevada. The trucks delivered the clothing to the main Tall White base at the north end of Indian Springs Valley.

M.S. Did you ever see the Tall Whites  eat, and what kind of food did they eat?

C.H. I never personally saw the Tall Whites  actually eat food, although I’m quite certain that they ate food as we humans do. For example, as described in my books, I did see the Tall White guard in the restaurant the old Aladdin casino ( before it was remodeled ) sitting at the table behind me, disguised as a human wearing a black formal suit and wearing sunglasses even though it was night (not unusual for Las Vegas, Nev at the time). He had ordered a complete dinner with water and cola to drink. It was on the table in front of him.

 

However, he did not appear to have eaten any of it. My friends who are range maintenance men told me that in the fall they frequently saw the Tall Whites  up in the mountains collecting grass seeds and seeds of other eatable plants apparently for the purpose of eating. In any event, I’m certain that the Tall Whites  ate only plants and never ate any meat or any of the ordinary meat products.

The food that I saw packaged and sealed in plastic bags on the scout craft, looked like thick mushroom pudding. It had obviously been prepared by the Tall Whites  themselves, up in their living quarters and was intended for snacks and meals to be eaten when they were out hiking, etc. The Teacher at that time stated that the food was intended for the children but that sometimes the adults ate it if they were hungry. The Teacher used to make a pleasant joke about the little boy that I called the little fat astronaut.

 

She used to laughingly say that he was the one who liked the food, so perhaps they felt that the food here on earth wasn’t as tasteful as the food they were used to back on their home planet. On a different occasion The Teacher stated pleasantly that it wouldn’t be a good idea for me to eat all of the foods that they ate. She implied that two of their favorite foods would have adverse effects on me. It was my understanding that it might take my body as long and 2 years ( for one ) and 5 years for the other to get used to them. It was my understanding that eating those foods made a person feel very "HIGH" somewhat similar to drinking various quantities of alcohol.

I note from my studies of organic chemistry that the chemical molecule that gives the odor and flavor to strawberries is such a chemically simple molecule that it could be easily created by both plants and chemists on earth-like planets throughout the galaxy. For example, I’m told that a number of plants here on earth produce fruit that tastes similar to strawberries.

Likewise from my studies of Organic Chemistry, the sugar and starch molecules are the basis of energy foods and must certainly be important energy sources on every earth-like planet in our galaxy. Therefore, my guess is that one of the types of food that the Tall Whites  would enjoy would be strawberry flavored puddings that were high in natural sugars and starches. As I remember it, the Tall White guard sitting in the old Alladin restaurant had ordered a piece of artificially flavored strawberry pie although he did not appear to have eaten any of it.

M.S. What kind of food was supplied by the USAF to the Tall Whites ?

C.H. I have no idea. However, the USAF was certainly supplying them with as much food of any type they requested. As I state in book one, the Tall Whites  were inspecting the food storage rooms in the Indian Springs AAF chow hall. It was my understanding that a few of the Tall Whites  foods are made from plants that do not grow here on this earth. It is my understanding that their home planet is larger( perhaps twice as large) much drier and much warmer than the earth. So it would be natural for some of their plants to be unable to grow here on earth.

M.S. Was the food given to the Tall Whites  in excess of their local needs and intended for interstellar trade?

C.H. The USAF was obviously willing to give them as much of any food item that they requested, no questions asked. The USAF was obviously entirely willing to give them both food and non-animal based clothing items ( cotton, nylon, etc) without limit for use as trading materials.

M.S. Did the US play any role in the actual construction of the Tall White’s scout craft?

C.H. I’m not sure. From what I saw, the Tall Whites  performed all of the construction activities themselves. I’m certain that the Tall Whites  performed all work on the propulsion systems and on the fiber optics windings themselves.

M.S. Did the military have personnel observe the Tall Whites  in the construction process or observe their construction facilities?

C.H. I’m certain that the Tall Whites  did not allow any USAF personnel to observe the construction process. In book two, in the chapter entitled "Two Games on one Board" I describe the day that I was able to observe their repair activities from a short distance. To the best of my knowledge, I am the only human that was allowed to view those activities from as close as I was.

M.S. You described the hangar that was used as a base for the larger interstellar spacecraft used by the Tall Whites . Was this built solely by the Tall Whites  or did the US military play a role in this?

C.H. The hanger appeared to have been entirely constructed by the USAF for use by the Tall Whites . For example, the inside of the hanger looked just like any other ordinary aircraft hanger. It included ordinary fire extinguishers, arrows marking exits, etc. In addition to writing and signs on the walls in english, it also include hieroglyphics and icons used by the aliens. The alien writing was done in pink paint against a white background.

M.S. When in your view was the hangar supplied by the USAF for the Tall Whites  built?

C.H. I have no idea. However, I’m certain that the legends of Range Four Harry go back at least as far as 1954. The hanger construction ( i.e. its steel supports, its other materials, it’s lighting designs, its concrete doors that raised up in narrow sections by being lifted up from the top, etc ) were consistent with the construction techniques used in the late 1940’s and early 1950’s.

I note that president Harry Truman believed that he had seen a ghost in the white house during the late 1940’s and early 1950’s when he was president. In his description, he specifically stated that the white house guards would first "fall asleep" before the ghost came. His description of the ghost matches very very closely the actual appearance and behavior of an older Tall White guard. President Truman mistakenly believed that he had seen a ghost of President Abraham Lincoln.

 

My suggestion is that you research the stories of Lincoln’s "ghost" in the White House, the "ghost" of DONNA ANNA county in Las Cruces New Mexico and at White Sands New Mexico ( 1947?). My belief is that you will be surprised to see that descriptions of these "ghosts" and their behavior matches very very closely with the actual appearance and behavior of the Tall Whites . Remember that many of the range maintenance men who saw the Tall Whites  believed that they were seeing "ghosts".

M.S. Are all the bases used by Tall Whites  in the US supplied and constructed by the USAF?

C.H. I have no idea. My guess is that the answer is yes because I only saw USAF generals and personnel out on the Nellis Ranges.

M.S. You contrast nuclear powered propulsion as elementary for the Tall Whites  which they supplied to the US military. You contrast this with anti-gravity propulsion which they did not supply. Are these the only two propulsion systems that the Tall Whites  openly discussed or make known to the US authorities or to you?

C.H. Yes, as far as I know.

M.S. You mention that the Tall Whites  supplied the know how for nuclear powered scout craft. Did the Tall Whites  actually fly nuclear powered scout craft when on Earth or did they use anti-gravity propulsion in their scout craft?

C.H. The Tall Whites  always used the anti-gravity powered space craft and scout craft. The nuclear powered craft were only for use by the USAF.

M.S. What kind of speed were the nuclear powered scout craft capable of, in contrast to the anti-gravity propelled scout craft?

C.H. Vastly slower. The anti-gravity craft were capable of speeds in excess of the speed of light where as the nuclear powered were capable of just ordinary rocket powered speeds.

M.S. Why do you believe that the Tall Whites  took USAF officers for short trips to the moon?

C.H. Because of the significant number of times that I personally saw the Tall Whites  using their scout craft ( with groups of USAF Generals on board ) taking off more or less straight up from Indian Springs valley just after sun rise when the moon was in the fourth quarter. The scout craft always headed towards the moon. Then later the same day, I would personally see the same scout craft returning just before noon back to the Indian Springs valley and landing. When the USAF Generals got off the craft they were laughing like they had just come back from the world’s best amusement park.

M.S. Do the Tall Whites  have bases on the moon or other nearby planets?

C.H. I have no idea. However, as described in my writings, on the day ( in book two ) when I was shown the inside of one of the scout craft Range Four Harry stated, in what he considered to be a humorous story about the American Generals, that the reason the Tall Whites  had taken a small group of American Generals for a short ride in the craft was to discuss the American request for help in building bases within the solar system.

Harry stated that the Tall Whites  believed that the earth itself was the only reasonable location for bases within this solar system because all of the other locations were cold and uninhabitable.

M.S. Do you know if the Tall Whites  assisted in the construction of moon facilities for the USAF?

C.H. I have no idea. However, I can’t imagine that the USAF would undertake such construction without first requesting help from the Tall Whites .

M.S. Did you ever hear of the Tall Whites  taking officers to Mars or any other planet on one of their shuttles?

C.H. Yes. One occasion was described in my answer above. There were a number of other occasions that I am not able to describe in emails.

M.S. Would you surmise that in the almost 40 years since you last communicated/interacted with Tall Whites , that they may have supplied the
know how for larger craft to the US military as part of more recent technology exchange agreements?

C.H. I can only guess. I would not think the Tall Whites  would have changed their policy. They live roughly 10 times longer than humans. Forty years isn’t much time for them.

M.S. You mention that the Tall Whites  regularly used Earth as a port of call for their large interstellar ships. Do you have any idea of what the cargo was for these ships that presumably were engaged in some sort of trade?

C.H. I feel certain that children’s clothes and adult clothes and food stuffs were big items. I also feel certain that pure refined metals such as aluminum and titanium were also included in the trade.

M.S. Any estimate for the total number of Tall Whites on Earth?

C.H. In book three in the chapter entitled "The End of the Innocence" I describe personally seeing more than 200-300 individuals lined up along the base of the mountains to the east of range three. Each large deep space craft could probably hold approximately the same number of individuals as a typical passenger cruise ship.

M.S. Would it be fair to say that the US military limits the number of Tall Whites  on Earth due to the fear of them colonizing the Earth?

C.H. I can only guess. However, I would doubt very seriously that the US government has the ability to place any limits of that type on the Tall Whites. The Tall Whites  are very independent. As I describe in my books, I wouldn’t think that any human, US government or otherwise would dare saying "No" to them or trying to limit them against their will. It would be suicide to try. Any such agreement would have to be very carefully negotiated.

Evaluation (M.S)

The Tall Whites’ construction of scout craft using material supplied by the USAF immediately strikes one as quite significant. Why would an interstellar race with advanced technological capabilities require local material unless those Tall Whites on Earth were expected to fend for themselves using what local material was available? The Tall Whites  are presumably in a very analogous position to the first colonists in the New World who needed local material while waiting to be resupplied by the mother colony.

In exchange for local material and a base constructed by the USAF, the Tall Whites  give in exchange the technological know how for the construction of nuclear powered scout crafts for visiting planets in the solar system. This suggests that the US have capabilities for space flight that far exceeds what is publicly known, and gives credence to allegations that secret military bases exist on the Moon and Mars (see The Mars Records).

The statement that the Tall Whites  take on board their large interstellar ships material such as aluminum, titanium, food as well as clothes for both children and adults suggests that an active interstellar trade is occurring. The Tall Whites  are acting as interstellar merchants identifying and gaining possession of Earth resources that are used by the Tall Whites  for undisclosed purposes elsewhere in the galaxy.

Charles Hall explains that the US would supply food to the Tall Whites  without any questions, and that this would be used as part of the trade the Tall Whites were engaged in. Now the question to be raised here are:

• Just how extensive is this?

• How much food are the Tall Whites  taking, and is it exclusively for their use?

• Could it be used to supply, for example, populations on other planets that have a food shortage?

• Alternatively, could it be used to feed captive human populations relocated to other worlds?

Now what strikes one as quite odd is the reliance on human clothing and food by the Tall Whites. It is strange that the Tall Whites  require human clothes in excess of their local needs, if there truly exists such a local need by the Tall Whites  for human clothing as Charles Hall was led to believe. Why wouldn’t the Tall Whites  prefer their own clothing products both on and off Earth?

After all, colonialism was historically distinguished by the colonial rulers imposing their own dress codes and customs on local populations. The Tall Whites  hardly come across as profound admirers of humanity and its civilization as Hall reveals in his description of their contemptuous attitude towards USAF servicemen, and how they viewed the abundance of less intelligent life forms on Earth as very primitive. Indeed the Tall Whites  stated that,

"[o]n most planets, once people become intelligent, they don’t want to have anything to do with the animals that are much less intelligent than they are, so they kill them off."

(Millennial Hospitality II, p. 349).

Would such an extraterrestrial race with a contemptuous attitude for less intelligent life forms, voluntarily wear the clothing of what they regard as a less intelligent species?

It is hard to accept that the Tall Whites  have a preference for human clothes since this is not a behavior described by other individuals who have had contact with human looking extraterrestrial races in general. It is more likely that the clothes supplied to the Tall Whites  by the USAF was to be used for purposes other than clothing the Tall Whites  either on Earth or elsewhere.

One plausible purpose is for interstellar trade. This would imply that the Tall Whites  are trading with off humanoid races that may find human clothes to be exotic and attractive in the same way modern Europeans might find traditional Chinese clothes attractive. Another possible use is that the Tall Whites  are using the clothes to supply humans from Earth that have been relocated to other worlds visited or controlled by the Tall Whites.

As in the case of food, was the real purpose of the clothes supplied to the Tall Whites  intended for humans that were secretly being relocated by the Tall Whites ? Could the use of human clothes by the Tall Whites  described by Charles Hall have been a cover for the real use of the clothes, to clothe humans shipped to interstellar locations as a part of a resource exchange program?

Perhaps, more disturbingly, could the food and clothing supplied to the Tall Whites  be part of a resource exchange program that the US military is aware of but feels powerless to stop? All these questions require further investigation by those committed to making public exactly what Earth resources are being given to the Tall Whites , and for what purposes.

This takes me to the final issue which concerns Charles response that the Tall Whites  can’t be restricted in any way by the USAF. He believes that it is suicidal to try to restrict the Tall Whites , and that only carefully negotiated agreements can be made with them. This is reminiscent of the comments by Col Phillip Corso that the US had entered into a kind of ’negotiated surrender’ with an extraterrestrial race:

"We had negotiated a kind of surrender with them [extraterrestrials] as long as we couldn’t fight them. They dictated the terms because they knew what we most feared was disclosure"

(The Day After Roswell, p.292).

Hall certainly believes, along with the US military, that the Tall White’s technological superiority forces the US military to enter into agreements that may not reflect very favorable terms.

In Millennial Hospitality, a revealing passage describes the extent to which the Tall Whites  want to instill in Charles a sense of the technological superiority of the Tall Whites  and the ineffectiveness of any offensive measures (vol II, pp. 274-75). Charles is told to throw a rock at a Tall White guard and reluctantly complies only to witness it being stopped in mid-flight, along with other rocks that were thrown.

This display of technological superiority was designed to demonstrate to Charles, and presumably, the USAF, the failure of any kind of attack on the Tall Whites . However, rather than demonstrate the Tall Whites  technological superiority, doesn’t this act of bravado achieve the very opposite? Doesn’t it reveal that the Tall Whites  are perhaps too eager to impress upon Charles and the USAF the futility of any kind of attack on the Tall Whites ? This eagerness most likely comes not from a sense of invulnerability, but from a perceived weakness that they are intending to hide.

It has been speculated by remote viewers such as Ingo Swann that extraterrestrial races with advanced technologies are actually quite vulnerable to the advanced psychic abilities of humans (Penetration: The Question of Extraterrestrial and Human Telepathy, 1998 ). If it is accurate that the Tall Whites  feel vulnerable to some human potential that might threaten them, then it may be that psychic abilities are what the Tall Whites  fear, rather than US military technology. If this is the case, then that might explain why Charles Hall has been allowed to come forward and reveal to the general public his remarkable contact experiences while serving in the USAF.

If the Tall Whites  are engaging in resource extraction from Earth on terms that the US military and/or the ’shadow government’ is unhappy with but feels unable to change, then the US military/Shadow government may be looking for some way to change the terms of their agreements. If Swann and others are correct about human psychic abilities and the potential of human consciousness, then releasing this information to the general public may be a means of introducing global consciousness as a factor in what has been secretly occurring.

In conclusion, Charles Hall reveals important details about the nature of the agreements between US government/military authorities and the Tall Whites. The resource extraction that is occurring may be nothing more than the benign exchange of food, clothes and metals for advanced technology supplied by the Tall Whites . On the other hand, a more sinister extraction of Earth resources is happening, one that may involve the relocation of humans who are fed and clothed by material supplied to the Tall Whites by the USAF, who feel powerless to prevent this.

Whatever the truth concerning the resource extraction that is happening, it is important that the general public become informed of what is occurring in these secret trade agreements, and ensure that such transactions are marked by transparency, accountability and a democratic decision making process.

Not only are these desirable political processes an ethical response to the trade agreements with the Tall Whites, these processes may prove to be a very wise strategic move in dealing with a more technologically advanced extraterrestrial race.