The Transcription
PART ONE
Art Bell:
Born in Glasgow, Scotland, Benjamin Creme began
studying art at an early age, developing into an accomplished
painter in the modernistic style. His paintings have been
exhibited in a number of prestigious galleries. Throughout the
early years Creme also studied various aspects of
esoteric philosophy, in particular the teachings released in the
late 1800’s... he’ll tell you about those. Those teachings led
him to believe in the existence of "Masters of Wisdom", a
group of perfected men who are the custodians of "The Divine
Plan" for our planet. It nevertheless came as a
complete surprise to him when in ’59 he apparently was contacted
by one of these "Masters". He was told, among other
things, that Maitreya, "The Master of All
Masters", would return to live in the everyday world in
about 20 years, and that Creme would, if he chose to,
have a role in this coming. Wow. More than a decade later, in
’72, Creme began a period of arduous training under his
master’s direction, to prepare him for this coming task. In ’74
he gave the first public talk on the emergence, soon giving
weekly lectures in London. He has now, actually I believe,
spoken all over the world... as many as 70... actually his
magazine is produced in five languages by a volunteer staff, and
read in 70 countries. He normally resides in London
with his wife and children, and now is a representative, uh, of
Maitreya. A roving ambassador at large, if you
will. I wonder if he’s really, uh a, here is Benjamin Creme...
Benjamin, are you a dangerous guy?
Benjamin Creme:
Oh! Yes I suppose I am...
Art Bell:
Are you?
Benjamin Creme:
Very dangerous indeed! (Art laughs) Because what I am
talking about is nothing less than the complete transformation
of this world, along better lines.
Art Bell:
Well, it could use some of that...
Benjamin Creme:
Yes indeed. So I guess I’m a very dangerous person to be if
you are talking to people who are totally encased in the values
of today, and in love with the present day structures, however
evil, however insane they might be.
Art Bell:
Uh huh... well, evil and insane are a couple of good words I
think that describe today in an awful lot of ways... I wrote a
book, I understand you read it, or at least excerpts...
Benjamin Creme:
Actually I have been enjoying it, yes, I’ve been reading it
over the last few days...
Art Bell:
...called "The Quickening"... and
unfortunately much of what I wrote a couple of years ago, uh, is
now manifesting itself around the world.
Benjamin Creme:
Yes, yes, absolutely so...
Art Bell:
...and, um, perhaps in your unique position, you could
explain to me what’s going on?
Benjamin Creme:
Well, something quite extraordinary is going on... nothing
less than the emergence into our midst of that group of
perfected men that you spoke of, "The Masters of Wisdom",
and the master of all the masters, "The Lord Maitreya".
Art Bell:
Are these what others call "ascended masters"?
Benjamin Creme:
Well, some of them are ascended.. it’s a, it’s a
hierarchy... there are masters of different degrees. ("Uh
huh...") There are the ordinary masters, as it were, who have
taken all five of the major planetary initiations, which
eventually has a master... then there are degrees above that of
cosmic awarenesses which make you an ascended master. But
not all the masters are ascended.
Art Bell:
Um, take me back to when you were first contacted... uh, it
has to be, uh, at least it had to be at that moment, a very
strange unsettling experience for you... what happened?
Benjamin Creme:
Well, a man came to me, and told me that I was receiving
messages, communications, from the Masters. I knew about
the Masters... I’d read about them through the
Theosophical teachings, through the Alice Bailey
teachings, the Agna Yoga {?} teachings... and firmly
believed in their reality, but had not the slightest expectation
of any kind of contact with them.
Art Bell:
Was this a mortal man who came to you?
Benjamin Creme:
Yes, absolutely!
Art Bell:
Just, I mean, not... one day, you know, knock on your door,
or what?
Benjamin Creme:
Well, I knew him in another function, but he told me one day
that I was receiving communications from the Masters, and
I said "No, I’m not!" He said, "Oh yes you are, and I’ve been
sent to tell you that you are!" I said, "Well, I don’t hear
them" It is normally a telepathic rapport which they establish
with their disciples. He said, "No, the messages come to you,
but they just bounce off you". I said, "Why is that?" He said, "Because
you’re not open." Now, I didn’t know what that meant,
because as I say I believed in the fact of the masters, but I
wasn’t thinking about them, I wasn’t expecting any
communications... I just believed in their existence. He said,
"Don’t worry, It’ll come, it’ll settle down". And probably
because I had been alerted to the fact, they soon, about, hmm,
I’ve forgotten now, about five, maybe six weeks, the first
contact got through.
It was the 3rd of January, 1959, and
I had... it was as if a beam of light or energy had been focused
at my head and my consciousness was raised by several notches.
And there was created a kind of inner tranquil space. All my own
thoughts disappeared, and into that space was placed a message
as clear as your voice over the telephone now. It said, "Go to",
if you know London, "Blackfriar’s Bridge, south
side, Blackheath side". And it gave me a date, it was about
three weeks ahead... 18th of January, 9, uhh, 9:30pm... and I
wrote this down so I wouldn’t forget it, ("Right...") and uh, on
the time I went out there with quite a thrilling expectation, I
didn’t know what I was going to find, and I crossed the bridge
down to the south side. There was no one about... it’s a very,
uh, business area, south side of Blackfriar’s bridge,
and at night it was pretty deserted.
And there was a car waiting at the
far end of the bridge, and I sidled up and sort of looked inside
it, and there were some people in it who I didn’t know, but one
of them was the man who had come and told me I was receiving
these, these communications from the masters. ("Oh,
my...") The whole thing started from there. ("Uh huh...") The
master’s voice got louder, as I might say. He told me to get a
tape recorder. I got a small uh, Grundig{?}, uh, tape recorder,
and he began to give me long dictations, which I simply mouthed
aloud while I recorded. And he kept doing this for about three
months and the, he was really perfecting the telepathic rapport.
I got quicker and quicker and quicker at it. I could get it, you
know, without hesitation... in the beginning it was a bit slow,
but I got very good at it and just recorded whatever he said..
And then it was sometime in March, um, same year, in 1959, he
suddenly said, "Now switch off the machine and kneel down."
Then he said, "Now our master,
Maitreya himself, has something important to tell
you." Then I had the most extraordinary experience of my life to
date. I was overshadowed, as it’s called, by Maitreya.
Some probably some minuscule fragment of his consciousness
entered into mine, and I was filled with the love of all the
world. An extraordinary experience of total identification with
everything and everybody in the world. A kind of universal
experience such as I had never felt before. I was filled with
this tremendous energy, of love.. and at the same time he gave
me a vision of how the masters see reality. It was as if I was
inside a great sphere, a white sphere of light, and.. what I
have to say, on the right side and the left side, because there
weren’t really sides, but just as a way of describing it...
On my right side I could see all the
events of the past which had ever taken place, going back and
back, so in full{?}, back and back and back into the predawn of
time. And I could see events about which I seemed to recognize
from, from history in school, and so on... ("Uh huh") Kings and
queens, and battles and, and terrible catastrophes and various
events in history. And there was a kind of thin film over
everything so it wasn’t sharp, but it was quite clear
nevertheless, and all in color. And then on my other side as it
were, my left side, I could see all the events of the future,
which were simultaneously taking place. I could see myself in
the future, I could see Maitreya, I could see
the Masters, I could see crowds of people filled with joy
shouting and calling for Maitreya, and weeping and
so glad.. it was, it was an extraordinary scene, and on and on
into the future. And all of this was taking place
simultaneously. ("What a rem...") That is how the Masters
see the world.
Art Bell:
What a remarkable story! Now, I, I’m... it’s sort of
impertinent, but I have to pose this question. There are many
people who see visions and hear voices, and, uh, it is a rather
common psychological malady, so it’s a question that, er uh,
should be asked right away... How are you sure that you were not
suffering some sort of, um, psychological malady when all of
this occurred?
Benjamin Creme:
Well, I was prepared by the master, you know, this
didn’t happen in a kind of vacuum. This happened in response to
the overshadowing by Maitreya, which had never
occurred before, and was prepared in advance for me by the
master, with whom I had been working daily for the three months
before that time... from the beginning of January till sometime
in March. So it wasn’t something that just happened and I didn’t
know where it was coming from. ("Uh huh") I knew very well where
it was coming from!
Art Bell:
But even slowly, uh, even in, in a, preparatory manner, um,
how could you be sure that what you were being told, what you
were seeing and hearing, was real? Prepared for it or not, how
could you be...
Benjamin Creme:
Well, I uh, if I may say... put it this way: When I was
first contacted by the master I made er, him prove his reality
to me in dozens and dozens of ways. And he did, he made things
disappear, he, he healed animals, and birds, he healed people...
He did the most extraordinary things at my request to prove the
validity of his being.
Art Bell:
All right, let’s understand who we’re speaking of here...
uh, Maitreya, you.. is Maitreya
Jesus, and Buddha, and uh, Allah,
and um, all that is worshipped on earth now?
Benjamin Creme:
No... ("No?") No, Maitreya is the World
Teacher in that group of, from our point of view,
perfected men, who are the spiritual hierarchy or uh, spiritual
uh, esoteric hierarchy of the planet. They are the custodians of
the plan of evolution for this planet. Most people think, I
imagine, that evolution proceeds in a kind of haphazard way...
it does not! It proceeds according to a very definite plan, for
the unfolding of the potential of the human race, and of the
subhuman races, until a certain stage of perfection of that
evolutionary process is reached, and the planet will have
fulfilled the, the uh, plan of the heavenly man, the, The
Planetary Logos, whose body of expression this planet is.
Art Bell:
Well, believe me when I tell you that right now a lot of
Christians are listening. And, um, they will of course, uh, talk
of Jesus, and they will consider the, the, oh, I want to
say "person", is it.. is it proper to ret... the Messiah...you
ref, you refer to Maitreya as the Messiah,
correct?
Benjamin Creme:
Maitreya is expected by all religious people, under
different names. Christians await the return of the Christ
as Jesus...
Art Bell:
Right!
Benjamin Creme:
Maitreya overshadowed Jesus from the Baptism to
the Crucifixion, 2000 years ago in Palestine, and
manifested himself as "The Christ". Maitreya
is the Christ in that he embodies in himself... he is so
advanced and so pure, he can actually embody, not simply channel
through himself, but embody in his own being what we call this "Christ
Principle". So this planet has created a "Christ".
However un-advanced this planet is... and this is an
extraordinary achievement... we, the earth, have created a being
high enough to embody "The Christ Principal". And that is
what Maitreya is... he overshadowed Krishna,
and worked through Krishna. He overshadowed
Shankilacharia{?} and others and worked through them. He
overshadowed Jesus, from the Baptism to the
Crucifixion, and he showed the love aspect... the Christ
aspect is the love aspect... and he is the embodiment of all, of
love. He showed that love in a man, in its perfection, for the
first time, through Jesus.
Art Bell:
Well, Benjamin...
Benjamin Creme:
And Jesus is now one of his closest
associates, ("Associates?") one of the advanced, as we
mentioned earlier, ascended masters.
Art Bell:
Well, what would you say to Christians who await the return
of Christ?
Benjamin Creme:
Well, they are right! They, he, they are awaiting the return
of Christ. The Buddhists call him
Maitreya Buddha, foretold to come now by Gautana
Buddha, who said at this time would come into the world,
another great teacher, a Buddha like himself, by
name Maitreya, who from his great spiritual
stature would galvanize and inspire humanity to create a
brilliant golden civilization ("There’s also...") based
equally on righteousness and truth.
Art Bell:
Benjamin, there’s also one coming who might be called "Betraya".
It’s gonna be the Antichrist, and there are many I
bet who believe that what you’re talking about may be the
emergence, or the appearance of the Antichrist. So
we’ll ask you about that when we get back, ("Very good") and
also it, it is true, that you believe that Maitreya,
as you call him, is here on Earth right now, correct?
Benjamin Creme:
Right now! Living in London, England.
Art Bell:
Living in London? All right. OK. Uh, we’re gonna break here,
at the bottom of the hour. Zillions of you have requested
Benjamin Creme and tonight he’s here. I’m Art Bell,
and this is Coast to Coast AM.
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PART TWO
Art Bell:
All right, uh, the same person who said Benjamin Creme
is dangerous now writes and asks, "You ask what’s dangerous
Art? Why don’t you ask one of your favorite guests,
Malachi Martin, what he
thinks about Benjamin Crème?" Well I will. Because
Malachi Martin will be here Monday night. (promotion
etc.....for other shows)
Let’s go back now to Benjamin Creme, I think he’s...
Benjamin, you’re in New York, aren’t you?
Benjamin Creme:
I’m in New York, yes.
Art Bell:
And uh actually you that is the very same place Father
Malachi Martin is, been advisor to a couple of popes,
remarkable man, and my fax here says why I should ask Malachi
Martin about you. Why do you think a Catholic priest would
have to say about what your saying?
Benjamin Creme:
He would think I was talking about the devil, Art, as
you said "The Antichrist"... yes. ("Yes...")
Betraya!
Art Bell:
Yes, Betreya I’m calling him. ("Yes...") How
do you know that you’re not?
Benjamin Creme:
Well, there is a total misunderstanding of what the
antichrist is. Most Catholics...most Orthodox Christians
see the Antichrist as a man who will come before
The Christ and could even be mistaken for The Christ...
Art Bell:
Right!
Benjamin Creme:
...or promise, you know, the moon to humanity but in fact he
is really the devil incarnate. Nothing could be further from the
truth. It is not a man. The Antichrist is an
energy. A force. A destructive force which is deliberately
released to break down the Old Order and prepare the way for the
Christ. It’s in the Revelation of Saint John as you know. The
beast, 666, is unchained for a time and then chained down
for a time, and half a time. This refers to what we call
the Antichrist Energy. It is the destructive aspect of
the first aspect of God ,God the Father aspect of God, the will
aspect in esoteric terminology... two phases, in its
constructive positive phase it is the will to good. In its
destructive phase it is what we call the Antichrist.
It is deliberately released to break down that which precedes
the advent of the Christ. It was released in John’s own day
through the Emperor Nero to bring an end to the, uh, the
Roman dispensation to prepare the way for Christendom. It was
released again in our time through Hitler, a group around
him in Nazi Germany together with a group of militarists in
Japan and a further group around Mussolini in Italy. And
these three powers, the Axis Powers in the war with the Allies,
from 1939 to 45, embodied the energy we call The
Antichrist.
Not just their evil, but the evil of
all humanity from the very beginning. By the defeat of the Axis
powers, by the Allies, behind whom stood Maitreya
and the forces of light; the virtual hierarchy of our planet and
the Masters of Wisdom and Maitreya at the
head, the forces of evil on this planet are defeated. Not
destroyed but defeated for the time being. So the beast has been
released, now it must be chained down for a time and half a
time. That refers to the time the age which was now opening, the
Age of Aquarius as we call it, ("Yes...") which
will be the next 2350 to 500 years plus half the succeeding age:
The Age of Capricorn, when the beast will be
released once again. There will be another great war at that
time which will be fought out on the mental planes and one day
will end with the complete destruction of the forces of evil on
this planet. It has been released on the Astral Planes
for 1000’s of years. Over the last 100,000 years that war has
been going on on the Astral Planes. Precipitated by
Hitler and company onto the physical plane, really from 1914
through 1918 and then again from 1939 to 1945, because from the
Master’s point of view that is really one war which went
underground in ’18 and came up again above ground in 1939.
Art Bell:
You said that you...
Benjamin Creme:
So, the Antichrist is gone! It’s been, it’s
gone, it’s done its destructive work. That is the little
Armageddon. The True, GREAT Armageddon will
not take place until the middle of the Age of Capricorn
in about 3,500 years from now.
Art Bell:
Al right, you said that you were shown the past, ("Yes...")
and you were also shown the future. Well, I’m particularly
interested in the future. What, uh, what can you tell us about
what you saw. What lies ahead for us.
Benjamin Creme:
What lies ahead for humanity if it makes the right
decisions, and Maitreya is convinced that we shall
make the right decisions due to his work. That is why he’s
here.... to inspire humanity to make the right decisions, to
create what will be a completely new type of world. He brings
heavenly energies and we change the world so we have a new
heaven and a new earth as it says in the Bible. And
Maitreya puts it this way: "When you see and hear me
you will realize that you have known for long the truths which I
utter: sharing and justice. Brotherhood and freedom are not new
concepts. From the dawn of time mankind has linked his
aspiration to these beckoning Stars. Now my friends shall we
anchor them in the world!" These are the words of Maitreya
through me. ("Okay") And that’s what we shall do. We shall
create through sharing of the world’s resources for the first
time on the world scale: Justice in the world! A new
brotherhood! A realization of the brotherhood and sisterhood
of all people! ("Well, right now...") One Family!
Art Bell:
Right now resources, uh, in the world are severely limited
and appear to be finite and are being used up rather quickly...
so how are we going to do this sharing?
Benjamin Creme:
Well they are in fact used up by the developed 1/3 of the
world...
Art Bell:
That’s correct...
Benjamin Creme:
...the third of the world which we are a part usurps 3/4 of
the world’s food and 83% of all other resources.
Art Bell:
Uh, well for example...
Benjamin Creme:
(tries to speak)
Art Bell:
Let’s take oil for example, Benjamin, if we continue to use
oil that we pull from the ground at current rates in 40 to 45
years or less all of the oil is going to be gone. ("Yes...") Now
if 1/3 of the world or less is using all of this oil and the
other 2/3’s of this world is quickly trying to become what we
are, again I ask, how are we going to share these resources?
Benjamin Creme:
Well we don’t bother about the oil for we shall have a new
technology...("We shall?") Maitreya calls it the
Technology Of Light, which will give us unlimited power
for all our activities for all industry for heating and lighting
and transport and every other aspect! We shall have unlimited
energy directly from the sun itself. This is the new
Technology of Light, which when we share the results with
the world, and guarantee justice for all people everywhere, and
therefore the possibility of peace for the first time - because
without justice there will never be peace and without sharing
there will never be justice - so if we accept Maitreya’s
premise that we are One and that the resources of
the world are given by divine providence for all of us, and
share more equitably the resources of the world, create justice
and create for the first time peace in the world, then that
technology will become ours ("Even the most...") it will be most
powerful technology that we can imagine, cosmic in source, but
without peace in the world it would be the most dangerous
technology that we could use.
Art Bell:
Well, even, even Christians, uh, Benjamin, uh, tend to take
the attitude that, because what they, uh, read in the Bible,
that resources are given to us to use... no problem, go ahead
and use them, that’s what they are there for. That kind of
attitude and that sounds a little like...
Benjamin Creme:
It’s foolish! (Creme laughs). I mean we are
destroying the planet by, by misusing the resources.
Art Bell:
All right, well you said that, uh, Maitreya
said that we will make the right decisions. I don’t see any
evidence of that just yet.
Benjamin Creme:
Well according to the Masters we are beginning to do
so. According to the Masters, and I think its clear if
you look at the world today even compared with even 10 years ago
or 15 years ago, Maitreya came into the world, I
mean literally into the modern world, into London, in July, 1977
and since that time, from behind the scenes, through certain
individuals in the, uh, heads of government and so on, he has
been creating the conditions which we now see. The end of the
cold war, the opening up and the freeing of the states of, of
Russia, ("Well, yes...") the coming together of the
two Germanys, Capitalist West Germany and
Communist East Germany. An unthinkable thing has happened! The,
the uh, extraordinary transformation in South Africa,
where Nelson Mandela was for 27 years was incarcerated in
prison as the head of a proscribed organization and he, he is
now President of a, a new South Africa. ("Yes...") Apartheid is
a thing of the past. All of that is really the result of the
inspiration of Maitreya. He inspired Mr.
Gorbachev to come to America and to talk peace and to open
up, eh, er, through glasnost the Soviet Union. He,
He uh, came to Nelson Mandela in his prison cell and told
him to write to the president for a meeting and Nelson
Mandela smiled and said, "Look, I cannot even get a meeting
with the, with the governor of the prison" And Maitreya
said, "Never mind, I know that...but you write the letter and
you’ll see. I will do the rest.
Art Bell:
Okay, uh, is Maitreya, uh, Maitreya
is now a physical mortal-form being who lives in London.
Was Maitreya born as an infant?
Benjamin Creme:
No, ("No.") He is in a self-created body. Many
of the Masters appear in a self-created body which is
called the Myavirupa{?} which literally means the
body of illusions...
Art Bell:
So in other words, Maitreya, Maitreya then
appeared as, in an adult form, is that ...
Benjamin Creme:
In adult form, yes...("Okay, in 1977...") and he has the
ability to change that form at will! ("Oh...") He can be old or
young, fair, dark, a man, a woman, a child, whatever he wishes
to be.
Art Bell:
Have you, in the physical, met with Maitreya
in London?
Benjamin Creme:
I have, but not in his real form. I met him, uh, as a woman,
a refugee woman in a train in London with a child
and she, heheh, so-called "she", asked me for some money, I gave
her some money. The child looked miserable and she went up and
down the, the uh, train, you know, begging, but ("Yes...") in
the carriage where I met her there was no one else in the
carriage so she wasn’t making much money. And uh, the child
actually was the Master Jesus. And this sort of happening
occurs all the time. The Masters work together.
Maitreya and the Master Jesus seem to be
incredibly close and they work together all the time. Sometimes
one is a man. The other time the other one is a man, and so
on... they change positions and change appearance and so on.
Art Bell:
Do you realize what you just...
Benjamin Creme:
The last time I met him was in California.
Art Bell:
California?
Benjamin Creme:
In Berkley, where...
Art Bell:
Berkley
Benjamin Creme:
Yeah, Berkley, California where he appeared as uh, I suppose
you would say as a modern day, slightly hippie, quite casually
dressed, but nicely dressed, uh, with a little bomber jacket on
and uh, and a hat and he asked me for a couple of dollars to,
for gas for his uh, truck. I couldn’t see any truck so I gave
him a couple of dollars. And that was Maitreya!
Art Bell:
How do you know?
Benjamin Creme:
It looked like Maitreya... {?} as he looked
Art Bell:
How do you know?
Benjamin Creme:
Well, I’m in touch with one of the Masters, I have a
moment to moment contact with one of Maitreya’s
closest disciples. And through this moment to moment contact I
can verify any experience I have. And if Maitreya
wishes to appear as a, as a beggar man as he has often does, and
hundreds of people have such experiences, I can ask the master,
"Was that Maitreya" and some days "No it wasn’t at
all" and some days "Yes it was, and that was the Master Jesus".
I have seen the Master Jesus years ago, who came to my
house in London, and uh, asked if I could give him something to
eat...
Art Bell:
Do you have any idea... do you have any idea of how many
toes you’re stepping on with this?
Benjamin Creme:
Oh I know that! That’s why I’m dangerous.
Art Bell:
I, I, I’m beginning to agree with the faxer! You, you are
kinda dangerous...
Benjamin Creme:
Well, dangerous in the sense that this upsets the
conventional view of life and the future.
Art Bell:
Oh! This upsets nearly everybody!
Benjamin Creme:
But it must! Times, as you know, are changing.... ("Yes...")
and the changing times bring new personalities in different ways
into the world and old conceptions of the Bible story and
the gospels and so on have to change. The people who will find
it probably hardest of all to accept Maitreya are
the leaders of the Christian and uh, the Jewish organizations!
Art Bell:
Absolutely! All right, let me try and ask you a really hard
question...
Benjamin Creme:
But, they had the same problem 2000 years ago ("Yep, yep, I
know...") when Jesus was there among them and they didn’t
recognize him.
Art Bell:
Look, let me ask you a tough question. You said it was
proven to you in so many ways that Maitreya was
real. You saw miracles. Miracles were performed for you.
Benjamin Creme:
By my master... ("Yes, now...") My master is not
Maitreya, ("now...") my master is a disciple of
Maitreya
Art Bell:
I understand that, but, um, from the point of view of those
who are listening to you right now, uh they, they would ask if
this is all true, then why not request and receive for the
world, undeniable proof in the form of some sort of miracle that
would cause people to believe as concretely as you do.
Benjamin Creme:
The world today is filled with miracles. Let me just mention
a few of them. Maitreya says, "Those who search
for signs, will find them. But my method of manifestation is
most important" But the world is filled with signs of his
presence. Take for instance, in the Christian world, the
appearances of the Madonna all over the world. The moving
Madonna, the statues which literally move, which open
their eyes, clasp the hands and unclasp themselves. These are
made of, uh, plaster or stone, wood, and so on. The icons of
Jesus which cry, the, the Madonnas which cry real
tears, sometimes blood, this is happening by the hundreds of
thousands all over the world.
Now, in the, in the eastern world
among the Hindus we have the extraordinary milk miracles, in
September, 1996 when for four days the statues of, of Gadasha{?},
and Shiva and so on... when offered milk, lapped
up the milk. The milk literally disappeared by the millions of
gallons. The, the milk ran dry in India. The, the
shops "shut all of its stuff"[?]. The streets were filled with
long queues going to the temples, many of them to the temples
for the first time in their lives to watch this miraculous
happening. We saw it in London, in the temples in London,
where the cameras were taken in, the television cameras and even
the operators, the camera operators of the, of the, uh, the
interviewer would hold out the milk in a cup or a spoon to the
statue which is made of wood, which is made of copper, bronze,
silver, brass, and the milk literally disappeared every single
time. That I think is the most widespread and the greatest type
of miracle which has ever happened in the world. It was all
over: north, south, east, and west... wherever that ritual was
performed. The milk was not, of course, drunk by the, by the
statues made of brass and teak and so on... ("Right...") It was
made to disappear by Maitreya and a group of
Masters who do that kind of thing.
Art Bell:
Was it in any way announced beforehand?
Benjamin Creme:
No. ("No...") It suddenly happened. There is a window in
Clearwater, in Florida... there is a, a
building...
Art Bell:
I’ve seen it. I’ve got the photograph. I know, I know
Benjamin Creme:
It’s got a huge icon of Madonna, 35 feet high, in
brilliant color, and when it was damaged by vandals , the color
reasserted itself...
Art Bell:
Oh, no, That’s absolutely true! Uh, Benjamin, hold
on, we’re at the top of the hour. Uh, the building he refers
to... yes! It was vandalized and miraculously the image,
overnight, was suddenly cleared up. That is an absolutely true
story. Benjamin Crème is my guest and we’re going to open
phone lines when we come back, and I imagine they will be
blistering! From the high desert, this is Coast to Coast AM.
