DOUG: Also in your time.... today most of us travel by car, individual automobiles. (Mutual laughter) How do you travel in your time?

VAJRA: I took my children to the museum and they had a very well preserved ’shopping place’... it was called a "Mall".... --A humorous name!-- (Laughs) Like being chewed by an animal!--- and my children get great fun from driving these combustion engine vehicles. We have them still preserved in certain places. They are only allowed in very limited areas simply because of the filth, violence and the great noise that they produce.

We primarily use the trans-disks which are a form of magnetic that creates a field around us. They are circular and they have a brace that comes up around the hips with a belt that goes around the center and these disks create an electromagnetic energy field, an antigravity field if you will, that allows us to travel at great speeds across the surface of the planet with no harm to the earth and to harm to ourselves.

There are however also the IDAPs, Inter Dimensional Access Portals, which are called the doorways or ’Boom Tubes’. These are antigravity engines, and these engines, using an antimatter process, can actually create a rift if you will, a doorway which can take you anywhere on the planet you want to go.

There was experimentation that was originally done with the concept of teleportation, actually introduced for cargo in latter half of your century, but we abandoned those concepts primarily because they meant breaking down the structure of the human body and then transmitting the structure from place to place and then having to actually reassemble that actual physical body into the original pattern and energy matrix which we found too violent to the spirit in the body.

And so with the antimatter engines that we have developed, allowed us to be able to create a time-space warp so that all we are doing is bringing one area of time-space to another so we would simply walk through the door and be at the location that we were required to be.

Now we still have the disks. We still have travel back and forth which is primarily done through electro-magnetics and through the antimatter/antigravity drives that brings supplies and travel back and forth between here and the Moon. We have not yet been allowed to journey to Mars as their are still beings there who have not yet allowed us to expand to that planet but we hope that within the next 20 years, that we will begin to create rather large colonies there on Mars once we have proven the fact that we have evolved to the point where we are beyond our violence and we are beyond our inconsideration and our death wish for ourselves and for others.

So we have the IDAPs, we have the trans-disks, those are the primary means. We still use horses, they are a great joy and great fun to keep. We still use a large number of carts, these are much for enjoyment, but also much for easy transport. We still have bicycles which we use, but the trans-disks primarily and the hov-car for taking the family to places, and there are so many of them, we use the hov-cars which have basically the trans-disks underneath the bottom of them which also allow us to then sit in a carriage and so we don’t need the same type of roads and asphalt. We travel above the earth and on the electromagnetic lines of the planet which allow us to go where we wish to go without any harm to ourselves to others or harm to the planet. This was a technology that was pioneered some time ago and there was a trade, or a trade off if you will, between ourselves and the Sky People, which may be announced soon. But this technology was handed down, or taken by force in some cases.

DOUG: Do you remember when the trans-disks came about?

VAJRA: They began before my life time and so they were, I would say, well they were about 15 years after the change. They came about in 15 AI or so. But many of these things were technologies that were left over from the great war. After the great war there were amazing technological developments that came about after that conflict. There were things that, from reading in grandfather’s journals were amazing. There were technological advancements that had been hidden from the people for so many years that came out in remarkable ways and I, that conflict, that last great war of humanity, though it caused great death and great destruction, was also in many ways responsible for providing us with many massive technological advances which make much of what we do today possible.

DOUG: Can you tell us a little bit about the war?  When it started, how it started, who was involved?

VAJRA: We can't go back and talk about Architecture can we?
(Audience laughter)

VAJRA: (A pause, a deep breath and a heavy sigh.) There were actually a number of wars, but from our perspective it looks like one, long 27 year conflict. Just as your entire dark 20th Century looks to us like one long war from 1914 AD on, with the various sides only stopping long enough to catch their breath and rearm!

There were great forces that were allied against each other, primarily China and the Jihads, or at that time what were called the Islamic Jihad although there were a number of factions, and I know the great overview of this because even though so many of the records were lost, I remember the beginning of the war started when many people began to be murdered in India and Israel, and it had to do with - and we still even have this in our history - the great battle that took place when Pakistan attacked India with troops and limited nuclear weapons.

This was the beginning of the last great conflict. And this conflict did not occur all at once. It spanned nearly 27 of your old standard years. It lasted from .... 6 years.... from your dating.... 1998, when the rumblings and skirmishes started, until 2025 to 2027, when the smaller battles were winding down..... it was in that period of time, 2027, when the last great meteor struck, and I am not sure if the meteor was somehow artificially aimed at the planet or whether or not the meteor struck from natural causes. That was what put an end to all the insanity. At that point we all had to work with each other just so mankind as a species would survive. That time, beginning in 2025, was probably the lowest spiritual point for humanity in all history.

That great meteor tilting the Earth and knocking it off its rotating axis for a period of time was what was responsible for the last great inundation of the northern areas of what was Africa, of the above land areas of what was Europe and much of Russia. Many of those waters, however, did subside and there are large sections now that are underwater but many large sections that have risen above water after that. The Earth will always be 2/3^rds water, 1/3 land, just as is the human body, so some masses rose as others sank.

The great wars began primarily as a final conflict between China, between the Islamic Jihad, and between what was then called Europe, The United States and Russia.

There was great hope at first as what were called the Communist regimes of first Russia and then China collapsed. North and South Korea reunited, and it seemed that perhaps an age of peace would ensue. But China becoming 'Free' made her even more dangerous, and soon she wanted all the comforts, technology and resources of the west. The tragedy was that you in America built her industries, her technology, her entire economy, which was all being converted for the purpose of war against you! The government knew it. The people knew it, but you, as we say, "you sold them the rocks with which you were stoned!" From our perspective it was the insanity of greed from all sides that nearly destroyed your world. That is why that thinking is so vile and repugnant to us now.

Our country, the NAU or the Turtle Island, was not involved in many of the conflicts. We pride ourselves that there were only two or three great battles that were fought around the turn of the great age that resulted in our defeat. And from that point on, there was much civil war that was happening here in the NAU and because of the Civil Wars and the breakup of the political system here into the current 13 Sovereign Nation/States... this is much of what caused our Nations and Countries to refrain from being involved in this conflict.

This sadly, however, in some ways made things worse. We fought the final war against China, after they had taken Taiwan, Viet Nam, Japan, all of South East Asia and Australia. Their confederation became popularly known as The Kings of the East, or The Great Dragon. They invaded America last, coming across the Bering Strait over Alaska, down into the Pacific Northwest, through what is now called Eden, with an Army of 200 million! Not since the days of the Mongols had such an army been seen! Only about half that number actually reached our shore. But no matter how many we killed, they just kept coming!

They were like ants, or a swarm of angry bees! And they were more savage and brutal than anything that had ever been seen. They killed everything in their path. No one was spared. They were finally stopped by our wonder weapons, (which had killed half their number along the way), and by direct intervention by what were thought to be the Sky People (although that is still a mystery), and the final battle was fought in what was called Denver, Colorado, but which we now call "The Plateau Of Judgement".

To this day, China is still a wasteland and cannot be inhabited for another 100 years. Almost a billion people translated in the blink of an eye. (Tears are streaming down his cheeks.) So much horror. So much pain.

The conflict began, as I said, with the attack of Pakistan against India. And there was 'The Nameless One' who was the one responsible for most of the great destruction and great terror that began in the Middle East that was then strewn across the planet and the final invasion and destruction of Jerusalem in, I believe, 2006. He and the Chinese Horde were the last great evils.

DOUG: Is he the one.... your grandfather has talked to us before about, the one that is called the Antichrist. Would this be the same person?

VAJRA: Om. Jamal. Which is truly the sickest of jokes, because his name meant 'The Beautiful One'.

DOUG: Okay. So the United States doesn't get too involved until much later in the Great War?

VAJRA: The old United States are involved early on, and because of great defeats that are suffered, military defeats, the United States here are no longer involved.

That is why our countries survived much of the destruction. We withdrew much of our military might and used it to protect and defend our countries and our shores.

However, please remember that we were not much involved at first because many of the independent countries here were beginning to break away, and as those countries broke away, leading to the political system and structure that we have now, they were not interested in becoming involved in the great wars with the Jihads and with China and with Europe.

We had great military force and might but with the destruction of the computer data bases and the financial system of the old New York by the pulse of a near miss of a nuclear missile, and later by flood, and the destruction of what was then the Capitol of Washington D.C., by an unusual biologic weapon. I think the conclusion was that the weapon was something called Red Mercury, as it was atomic, but also with biologic effects. Like a very dirty radioactive bomb ... but I do not understand such things. When the two cities were both destroyed at approximately at, and then, a few years after the Great Age turning (1999 to 2006) , none of the other countries (the States) would come to their aid. There was only minor retaliation, due to great confusion as to who the perpetrators actually were, so revenge was difficult.

There was, in fact, at that time, and this confuses me, great celebration of the rest of the countries when those two cities were eventually destroyed because of the Civil conflict that was fought against those two cities. New York financially and Washington DC politically, were the two heads of the Great Evil that oppressed the Countries.

DOUG: There has been a lot of talk about the New World Order. I have a question here - that may ring a bell with you. The New World Order - does it succeed in taking over the United States in our near future?

VAJRA: God's Grace if I do not understand the question. What can this be? There is so little from this time. There is so little information that is from here. If I understand correctly, that is what causes the Great War. That is what causes the great Civil Wars. There are attacks against the people. There are specifically attacks against the food that supplies many of the great cities. There are whole areas that are purposely starved to death, by this power, this force, this evil that you speak of.

So my answer to that would be.... is that.... No. It does not take over the Great Land. There is revolt. There is blood. There is a story that my grandmother had told me of my grandfather. In these wars, that because this Federal Force that was attacking the countries (the States), that there were not enough men for them to oppress all of the Great Land (USA) and so there were factories where human beings were being manufactured, and this became a great conflict with these individuals who were grown in tanks.

The Men In Black, or Men OF Black, as they came to be called. They were cold and huge and heartless and they had no souls in them, with lifeless golden yellow eyes. This was a side effect of drugs that were fed directly into the brain that gave them superhuman strength and made them obedient to their master's commands. There were no colors that came from them; no aura that came from these beings. So there truly WAS a blackness that radiated from them. So those of a higher spiritual nature found them easier to spot, and grandfather was part of a large group of people that at one point had to comb the countryside to find these... creatures... and kill them.

These were the clones. Genetically engineered creatures that suddenly came from the vats and tanks of the dark Federal Force, this New World Order as you call it, to take over and control and destroy much of the Great Land and this was the oppression which was placed on the people. They had to hunt like animals; these vicious savage killers who after even the great evil force was destroyed they lived in caves, they lived in forests, they caused great terror, great chaos all across the planet.

There was a mass attempt at confiscation of arms before the Great War occurred where many were left helpless before the Men Of Black, and many starved to death in the great cities because they had no way of defending themselves and no access to food. From what I read in grandfather's journals and from grandmother's stories there was a great disarming that occurred, which was a terrific tragedy because many who would not have died because of it. Virtually all the major cities were placed under marshal law right after this happened, but soon after the Federal Force collapsed.

This is what was responsible for the breakup of these forces: There was a huge rising up of all of the people here that fought for their freedom and they found that after the initial battles that when they began to understand that the power existed within them, that the mind was the builder, that they could take responsibility for their existence, many of these forces fell away like straw in a holocaust.

They were eventually defeated but it was only through each one of the independent countries and nation states rising up and also through the massive natural catastrophes, the earthquakes, floods and the chaos that much of the force of the evil was broken, so even though this is a time of great death and grand madness, it is also a time of great rebuilding and grand freedom, because the community that I live in now .... owes its very existence to this period. To the concepts and to the ideas and to the strength and the courage and the bravery of this time frame.

DOUG: What can we do as individuals to protect ourselves from the earth changes and the violence and everything you are telling us about?

VAJRA: Physically, for your time, or any time, it is only knowledge and family that will be of any value. Also, for your time, be well armed and well fed. Food supplies and weapons are most important. A famous saying of grandfather's was "A dog with no teeth gets kicked all day." This seems radical for me to say from our time of relative peace, but it comes from my love and compassion for ALL of you, after having viewed your... our... brutal history and knowing what is to come by looking back.

Spiritually, each and every day, at the striking of 2:00 PM when the forces of the sun are at their zenith and the positive powers of the Earth are at their greatest height, we practice here the meditation of the violet fire in which we ignite this fire within ourselves and we take on and absorb upon ourselves the pain of the planet. Each and every day our influence grows greater through the 11 soul gems that I share with the 10 other communities.

Our influence grows each day because by doing this exercise, by getting my entire family and our community together, and we do not have to be physically together to do this, but each day at 2:00 PM we lay down our work for a moment and sit and meditate for a few moments where we appreciate the earth, we appreciate that which we have been given. We appreciate the Grandfather in the sky (the Sun), the Grandmother beneath us (the Earth), the Great Mystery and all that which we do not understand.

We absorb in and unto ourselves all of the negativity, all of the pain that the planet still suffers, and give away all which we feel is good about ourselves. This brings to us the humbleness and humility that we require by giving away that which we find valuable about ourselves to others.

We feel that at some point soon we will bring all of mankind and humanity back into the proper path, back into the wave of that balance, gently treading upon all of which we hold dear, upon our land.

We sit with our children and they are our greatest teachers. My children are much wiser than I am. They truly do not have the 'Veil'. I myself still have so much pain within me. I myself am far from achieving that perfection which I see the children beginning to achieve now. They are all so gentle and so connected to the Creation that I can understand now by looking at them what the Immanuella was when She came at first, how Her legendary reign came over all the independent countries and city states.

Even though where I live is now considered the capital of this planet, that is an old term. There is no one central place. All things are connected together and though the Immanuella rules from that much larger Island which was at one point called Erin, or Ireland, she visits us all in our hearts. She gives so much, being the ultimate conduit for the Love of the Creation with Her 'Veil' open all the time. She was responsible for healing so many thousands of those who were burned and those who were horribly poisoned.

DOUG: Okay. You've mentioned a couple times the Sky People. We want to know who the sky people are.

VAJRA: There are some who have continued contact with them. They watch more than anything. They have given us certain advances, they have given us certain advantages. I for one still have some trouble trusting some of them. They come from many places. We have ambassadorships now where many of our people have gone to their planets, but they come from many places. Not only in our universe but we have also learned that there are also benevolent as well as malevolent beings on our own planet who come from other time spaces as well as those who come from other dimensional realities.

There is trade for example with beings from Alcyone (which grandfather was instrumental in), from Taygeta (both in the Pleiades) and from Barnard's Star.

There was a return for a very brief period of a very large race of beings from the Osirus, or as it is also called Orion, constellation. There are ambassadors from our planet that are now on Sirius A or planets in the Sirius A system. We have found that there is a black hole with what appears to be a terraform around the black hole, which I found very interesting and had a chance to study. But this black hole, which exists between Sirius A and B is the capital for a great race and civilization that was responsible for much of what is heard in ancient Egypt and is responsible for much of what occurred in the reign of a Pharaoh who was one of their beings named Akhnaton. So they have taught us much about our own past, but we are still not to the point of where we have a full membership in this Consortium. They are still watching us.

They tell us that another 400 years from now, that a full exchange will take place between our peoples and their peoples and that 1000 years from now, or should I say 900 years from my era, there will come a complete accounting where we will be invited into this Consortium, but now, even now, we are still very violent in some aspects; we are still much too immature in so many ways. But the thing that I need stressed is that our history has made us strong, curious, independent and vital. For as violent and vicious as it is, it has given us a strength of will unmatched in the cosmos. Many of them fear us and want us crushed, because they know how powerful we will one day become. "Harsh childhoods, make for the most interesting adults," as grandmother used to say.

I have stated many times in counsel that it is for us to grow up, that it is for us to take the responsibility on ourselves. Many have said "Why do we not take the help that is offered? Why do we not come in more contact and take more from them?" And it is my opinion that we must be unique in our evolution. We will some day stand shoulder to shoulder and side by side with these beings and these creatures. This planet, I have no doubt, will become the galactic center of a great, grand glorious country, an empire which will span this solar system and much of this higher section of the galaxy! But we must get there on our own. It is not for us to rely on these people like helpless children upon parents. They may be parent-like in some respects ..... but we are grown up now. It is for us to evolve, it is for us to continue, and I am of the opinion (and this is not a popular opinion in many Councils but it is my opinion) and since I have been given some authority here, that we are to continue to grow without this outside influence.

They have given us knowledge which I appreciate. They have given us an understanding of much of our past. They have given us some records of this time period - not many, but at least enough to know about where the evolution of where we have come from has been, so that we may know where, in fact, we are going.

DOUG: Are you aware of, in year 1998 during the earthquakes and earth changes, are you aware of a great number of people being taken aboard or transported by some of these sky people on spaceships?

VAJRA: There is a period where, as I have stated, there are elders who open the doors to sideways realities and save many. They, or should I say, I have had this history described to me. Using their magic they open these doorways to other realities where groups of people wait. There are some - almost before the end of the war - who were saved on the ships. There was no special blessing that was given. They were taken up because they were supposed to survive. Many of these who were supposed to survive were those who carried with them the genetic seed for the continuing of the race. These were the groups that began to evolve into the 12 chakra energy system, who began to develop the 47th and 48th chromosomal pairs. And so they had to be saved as the genetic blueprints for much of humanity. And so there were certain of the Sky People who came who did rescue a certain number of these people. It is legend. Many speak of it. It is not something that is part of our mass history but many were saved and many were taken care of and fed and nurtured during those dark times when the Mother had no course, and there was no time. So Om to your question.

DOUG: Thank you. Let's go back to your time and talk a little bit more about what your life is like. What do you use for exchanging for goods? We use money, or cash. Do you still use money?

VAJRA: Om. Simply from an aspect of a term of exchange because we do not have to pay for energy, because we do not have to pay for certain aspects of where we live or how we live. Much of what we do, and there is much hard work, is done in the actual growing of food, but that is more of a joy, more of a delight. It is for us our highest science. As I said, I am but a humble Architect. I am not one of the Sacred Keepers of the land, one of the growers of the food, but I do enjoy helping.

We have a tetrahedronic structure outside of our home where we grow many fine fruits and vegetables. But we work for a few hours every day at something that we enjoy and in exchange for that we have a Center which, if we have necessities, if there are certain things that we need or require, we will work for a period doing something that we enjoy. One of my sons is a very talented musician and he gets to practice his music for people for a number of hours every day.

We usually work four hours or so every day doing something that we are talented at or something that we enjoy, and many of our professions are also chosen for us at birth. We use a very advanced form of Astrology and because we are able to see the colors and see the auras and see the essence which come from our children, and because the children themselves have less of the 'Veil' than we as the older people do, they also know but have more of a connection with, why they are here and the things that they must do.

When I do travel to other places and locations, we do use a form of money that is a type of gold but it has been refined into what looks like a transparent substance and they are in the shape of small pyramids that retain information much as the Crys-Disks do. Or should I say the Crys-Disks, which then interact with the Crys- Spheres - they are smaller forms of that which have the information of the value of each one of these that is encoded into them so they are small and pyramid-shaped but they are gold, which is processed into a very highly superconductive form which renders it clear or transparent. Very much like glass beads.

DOUG: Interesting. I have a very specific question here. Okay?

VAJRA: We find that because the term 'money' is a form of energy and because that energy flows to us and then flows out from us and that becomes a physical manifestation of that energy, that the shape and pattern of the money becomes very important and that is one of the reasons why we usually use sacks or pouches, and why the money is tooled into these shapes. When it is actually close to us, when it is in our possession, it creates a certain energy around us, and so this has helped us to grow beyond the obsession and the greed and the hoarding of this energy in and unto us that led to so much of the madness and the chaos in the old age. This absorbing of energy for energy's sake. We understand that those who work hard will be rewarded for what it is they do. But those rewards are much more spiritual than they are in the physical manifestation of what they have. We still work very hard here to grow what it is we grow because we meditate and because so much of bringing the food up out of the ground has to do with our own spirit.

We spray the plants with special minerals, and use Crys Spheres that play music to the plants and this music helps them grow extraordinarily large. In the area where we are we grow much of the food; probably 60% of the fruits and vegetables that go all across the planet. So we have a very intense responsibility here to be in tune and in touch with the land and with the Earth because we have the sacred trust of growing so much of the food and we feel that by infusing our spirit and our essence into that which comes from the Earth, that by sending that food in trade, to the Tech Societies, whether they are underwater in the Pacific or whether they are in space, or on the Moon, we feel that we impart our consciousness through that which we give to them. Understanding?

DOUG: Yes. Yes. Thank you. So it's a lot, a lot more than just the money, its an exchange of energy.

VAJRA: Om.

DOUG: Okay. Talking about food, what types of foods do you grow and eat, in your time?

VAJRA: Well, I would assume they would be the same as here. They are corn and wheat and grains..... We have some crops here that are unusual. We have a form of peach that was brought to us by one of the Sky People that grows about this big, and because we spend so much time with the spiritual nurturing of the food as well, we find that we only require usually one meal a day as sustenance because of the energy that comes from the food that is within us.

There is what we call Nec-Dar, which is a paste that is made from very many vitamins and minerals, and the Nec-Dar is a .... doesn't really have a taste to it as such. It can be blended with very, very small pieces of another food and it will take on the taste or flavor of that food and so we use this as much more of a substance in a diet that is primarily all fruits, vegetables and grains. We are very strict vegetarians, although we do still drink some milk and eat cheese as this causes no harm. We do have some cows for milk and the children to play with, and some goats here and we sometimes drink the milk from them. The Nec-dar is a ... its a substance that can be placed in any type of food and it is being now shipped into other areas of the planet where it is very difficult to grow food where people are living, so that they ..... it is very difficult to explain.... it is one of those normal things in life that one tries to explain but cannot.

DOUG: Okay.

VAJRA: For those who are hungry who maybe will have one piece of corn, this substance can be mixed in with that and make it all taste like the corn. And then be eaten and ingested and still be as nutritious.

DOUG: Yeah that makes sense. So you don't have a problem with a shortage of food.

VAJRA: Nay.... there are areas where food is still a problem. There are areas where it is still in very short supply in certain locations. Those would be many of the wasteland areas and these are still areas where human beings are very savage and very brutal and there are a few that go to these places but they have chosen to be this way and all we can do is pray for them and hope that some day they will see the error of their ways.

Even the Immanuella herself has visited many of these areas and locations and has not been able to turn them, so they still hunt and scavenge at many of the places. As I explained, it is not as if the entire planet is a Utopia. There are many different beings still who are at many different areas of evolvement.

We still have in many locations, although it is not as much here, many types of crime and we still have many brutal punishments for crime, across the Earth, such as stoning and public flogging. So the location that I speak of, where I live, I live in a somewhat unique community..... I would not say "unique," there are many who worship and live and believe the way we do here, but there are many who do not. I would say that of the population today, that there would be a percentage of 20, maybe as high as, I would not say as high as 30, but I would say 20% or so who are still living very bleak existences.

DOUG: Do you still have sickness and disease of the physical body?

VAJRA: In the wasteland areas, yes. But it is only because those people who are still in that state - in that consciousness - will not raise their consciousness to the point of where they would accept our help or where they would accept our healing or where they would even accept the grace of the Immanuella in that case.

DOUG: What types of healing is practiced in your time?

VAJRA: We have at the center here what you might find an unusual device. It reads the color fields of the body, and the doctors there, when you are not feeling up to 'participating', which is what we believe is an aspect of health, that if one wishes or cares to participate, that one will be healthy. That when they go to the doctor, the doctor there puts them behind a device that is a clear crystallized golden screen and this screen can read the colors and emanations which come from each and every organ in the body, and one can see disease manifesting originally on causal planes first. Then that color which is lacking, is infused in the body and so sometimes there is a helmet that is worn or glasses of a particular type of colored glass that are worn, or an infusement directly of a color into the person which reacts first on the etheric plane and then moves its way down into the different planes until it directly effects the body.

Most, however, still use herbs. We grow very specific types of herbs for their healing qualities. We have passed down to us through the Red Elders great knowledge of all of the different cures for any diseases that we still have here. Many times, those who travel will inadvertently come across a place that is still contaminated from underground radiation from some of the great wars or from some of the weapons that were buried at that point and so their auric fields must be completely realigned and we also do an energy transference.

As I explained to you, high energy systems flow into low energy systems, so when one is sick we can simply gather into a group and allow the energy from us to flow into them but not taking anything and not giving anything, allowing the 'Veil' to be parted and allowing our bodies to simply act as a screen, a conduit if you will, of the energy of the Creation. This usually suffices to bring that which is in chaos back into order. Illness comes when a person is very out of balance and that usually only comes from traveling abroad or sometimes when they make the trip to Luna and back. There is some readjustment that needs to be done in order to allow their bodies to reconfigure themselves to the bioelectric magnetic fields of the Earth.

DOUG: Is sound used for healing?

VAJRA: Very much so. When we do the laying on of hands, we will use different chants and tones. There are certain types of large disks which are made from a layered gold and other substances which can be struck in a certain manor. There are ancient artifacts that were unearthed, kept in temples, where people can go to be healed in which the doctors there use these small hammers to strike the disks and they create a sonic frequency and vibration. These are called Sun Disks and they were brought down from monasteries in the Andes. Some say they can be used to teleport from place to place, but I have never seen this done. So there are many different types and forms of healing techniques used. There is no one set type and form.

DOUG: Okay.

VAJRA: It does have a great deal to do with frequency as well. With the frequencies of the 7 to 14 cycles, which are those of the Earth Mother, are also those of very higher states of consciousness. The persons who are best at the healing, are once again, the children. And many times, the children will be the ones that the sick will go to instead of making the journey to Center or into the larger towns. The children themselves seem to have the gift of laying on of hands and infusing color, as it seems so much more natural for them. So my hope very much is that our children will grow with these extra added talents and abilities.

I feel, in my own opinion, and having the experience of being able to do this, and having certain knowledge of this time and knowledge from grandfather, is that I feel that we are very much the interim state in man's evolution. We are in no way perfect. We are by no means gods in any way shape or form, except over our own experience. We humbly hope to achieve that. We have the Creation that flows within us. We have the example of the Immanuella who manifests the highest aspects of the Creation here, but my hope for the entire planet very much rests in the children. In the future that lies before them. I feel that much of our society has been successfully rebuilt in just the past 20 years or so, but there is so much more to come.

DOUG: Is your family structure the same as in our time?

VAJRA: It is slightly different. After many of the wars, the ratio of men to women was much less than it would be now. Your population.... it is almost impossible for me to conceive the number of people that are on your planet .... is it 6 to 8 billion now?

DOUG: I think that's correct. I don't know for sure.

VAJRA: There are... because of the balance of the feminine aspects of the God Ray, there are many more women alive now, and because of much of what occurred in the war and the Great Plagues where it was mostly the men who were killed, the shortages of men to women were very great and so in our time and in our society it is not abnormal for one man to have two to seven wives, which is the limit by law. That would be the only difference, (Laughs) simply because the women run everything anyway. I have three wives named Rachel, Dakini and Gwenivargh, and nine children, 6 boys and 3 girls, whose names are...

DOUG: (Laughs) Please! That's ok!

VAJRA: (Looks disappointed) Ah, well. Other people's children are boring. But I am young and strong and will have a few more. Boys run in my family, so everyone wants me to hurry up and have more, so us men will not be so outnumbered! "I feel like a horse.....", (Laughs) That is our expression! Grandfather would say, "Good work if you can get it!" (Laughs)

(Laughter from the audience)

VAJRA: But it is nice. They are wonderful. They are noisier than I would like. They TALK a great deal! I have problems concentrating sometimes doing the things that I need to do, but we live in a society that is not under the madness of the masculine aspects of where it is we were.

We understand that we are living in a balance. That we have come through the Matriarchal age of the Mother, the Patriarchal age of the Father, which brought much of the destruction in the last Great Age. Now we are in a balance between those societies. We are in the Age or Aeon of the Son, or the Daughter, or the age of the Child if you will.

That what your age, or your generation, is about to go through has much to do with the puberty of that child. It has much to do with the violence and the rage and the misunderstandings and the temper, if you will, that you are evolving from.

In the later part and beginning of your 20th and 21st Century, so much of what survives now is an obsession that you have with games and games and games.... so many games! Little children's games. We have games here which serve a purpose to educate and enlighten, but in our society the things that are important are dance or music or art and singing or the joyous expressions of love towards one another..... and the women are simply better at that than we men are now.

I humbly learn what I can. It is the men, still, because there are many parts of our earth that are still dangerous, that are given the important decisions. My wives say that they just let me think that I am in control. (Laughs) They just allow me the illusion of thinking that I have any sort of authority at all (Laughs) ..... which I think is true!

But it is peaceful that way. They have taught us very much the ways of peace themselves. They understand there are certain jealousies and certain egos that they have to confront, but at the same time we provide safety for the children, we provide food, we provide shelter. I humbly try to be a gentle and gracious person. That is the difference. It would be that everyone in our society has a place and everyone in our society is cared for, and certain decisions that we may make here may seem unusual to you in your time, but when our children, or should I say young adults, are mated and married, we understand the energy that comes from them. We understand their auras. We do very, advanced and very tedious astrological readings for each one of them, to make sure that all of the pairings are harmonious. Not only between a husband and wife, but also between a husband, or man, or any other wives that he may have.

Eventually, as the population grows, and as the ratio of men to women begins to even again, we will no doubt go back to a very even-centered, one on one, masculine/feminine society, but now there are more women because they have more to teach us about the arts and music and dance and our society is about education and raising our children. We understand that we are very much midwives here for what is to come. We are the middle children if you will. We are living through the young adulthood, or the teenage years of humanity's evolution, whereas where you are at now, and what you about to go through, is the result of the growing pains of Mankind's raging, hormonal puberty. Om?

DOUG: Yes, thank you. You've mentioned a couple times the importance of music. Someone here in our group tonight says they just had a dream that music will be holographically imprinted in water in the year 2015.

VAJRA: Yes.

DOUG: Is this true?

VAJRA: We use holograms for a great deal. The liquid concept is still used in many of the great computers. It was abandoned primarily for the Crystal Spheres, or Crys Spheres for short. When we discovered that in a certain type of mono-atomic gold, that by rearranging the molecular structure of gold, that it became clear and so we began to create the Crys Spheres, which look much like children's marbles, but some are larger balls, about the size of a man's hand. The Crys Spheres are placed in what looks like a small fountain, and water pours over it and makes it spin. This interfaces with a complex quantum, blue laser interface. All this stores millions of giga-bytes at a subatomic level. The computers themselves look like black stone blocks, which can only be described as being bio-computers.

The use of these devices has been greatly limited however, because of their great misuse and because these computers were used to mark much of the population and to kill and destroy many people in your coming time. We have opted more for the development of the human mind and the human soul and spirit. We interact with these devices, and they certainly make things easier for us on certain occasions, however, we prefer using our own talents and abilities. I have one here because of my work, because of the job that I do, but many families do not and will not allow them in their house.

There was a great backlash against these machines and devices. This leads to ...... one of the great computers that the Immanuella uses in many forms in which the actual consciousness or brain and mind if you will, of John, the Great Genius was actually stored after his death, in 15AI or so. This great computer acts very much as a council, or simply an advisor. It in no way dictates what it is that we do. There is no one set central government that tells any individual or any country ways it must live. There is a very standard set of laws that are obeyed that come from 'The Keepsake' of the old times. (He begins to look around, closing his eyes, sensing something.)

My time here is at an end. I must return. (The crowd goes "Ahhh!" and asks for him to stay) You forget, grandfather is in MY body! Back at my home! (Laughs) With my WIVES!

DOUG: Oh my GOD! You better get back this second! (There is uproarious laughter!)

VAJRA: From the Heart of the One, from All that Is. Never forget, you are all the Sons and Daughters of God. Each day, experience that ennobling truth. (Bowing) Om-A-Ho!

Audience In Unison: Om-A-Ho!