Q: YOU SAID
’Universes,’ is the way he put it to me. I had never heard that
term before. I thought we lived in (the only) galaxy solar
system universe. But he always used the word ’universes.’
Q: AS IF HE HAD KNOWLEDGE OF OTHER UNIVERSES?
Q: DID HE TALK WITH YOU SPECIFICALLY ABOUT KNOWLEDGE OF
EXTRATERRESTRIAL BIOLOGICAL ENTITIES?
Dr. von Braun would have tears in his eyes every time –
and he repeated this continuously to me when he talked about us
in the galaxy – he would say ’with a hundred billion stars in
our galaxy alone. What would make us think that we are the only
life form?’ That was a very typical, repeated quote.
The other one that he would say is that he knew that we must
have peace in space in order to bring the truth in. The only
time he used the word, ’extraterrestrial’ and ’alien’
– and he did this repeatedly as well – was when he spoke to me
about the formula for war. That included the fact that when I
entered the industry, we were in a supposed Cold War with
He would say, ’Let’s start here where you are.’ There are
continuous wars and enemies identified in order to perpetuate
these wars, always with the ultimate goal of seizing the high
ground of outer space to dominate and control the minds of
people on Earth so they would not be given the truth, truthful
information about who we really are in the universes.
Q: WHAT WAS HIS DEFINITION OF WHAT WE REALLY ARE IN THE
Well, this is what he did not describe. I believe what was
happening is that he was under threat.
– American "Enemy’s List"
to Sustain War Mode and Pentagon Budgets –
Q: THAT IS
WHY HE GAVE YOU AN ENEMY’S LIST THAT WOULD BE PERPETUATED?
That’s right. He repeated this continuously. He would say that
starting where I entered the industry with the supposed
Russian threat, but never actually existed the Russians
were made to be the enemy. Then there would be terrorists,
Third World country threats, there would be an
asteroid threat. They might even say to us to try to
influence the public into believing that there are many reasons
for why we should put weapons in space. There might be a reason
to protect our assets in space.
But, the real one that he was always holding off on and would
say again with tears filling his eyes every time he said this to
me repeatedly was that the last card they are holding is
the ’alien card,’ the extraterrestrial
card and none of them are hostile. In any way he could say those
words, the intonation was always on, ’None of them are hostile.
It’s all a lie.’ So, in other words, all the enemies that have
been presented to us along the way it’s a lie with always the
intention of seizing the high ground to keep the truth from us.
Q: MEANING THE IMPLICATION IS THAT THE UNITED STATES
GOVERNMENT, PERHAPS EVEN IN COOPERATION WITH AUTHORITIES IN
RUSSIA, HAVE PLAYED A GAME OF PERPETUATING ENEMIES IN ORDER TO
KEEP THE MONEY FLOWING INTO THE WAR MACHINES?
Actually he (von Braun) never implied that the
Russians were part of this. He implied to me that the
kernel of it was in the United States and that
this had to be stopped and he thought that I, as a woman in
those days with curly hair and short skirts, could get into any
meeting where a man could probably never say the things that I
At that time, he gave me the assignment of preventing the
weaponization of space. He also mentioned that when he and
the other scientists came here (Project Paper Clip)
so many rumors were spread about them, that they were
Nazis and were horrible people and that was all lies.
Q: THAT WAS GERMANY AND PROJECT PAPER CLIP.
Yes, of course. I notice that even some people in the peace
movement refer to von Braun and the scientists as people
who started the Star Wars program (under Reagan).
That’s just not true. It’s a lie. They were purely scientists
who came here to be space and rocket scientists, but they were
always sucked up into this system that has been existing in the
old, obsolete earth-bound paradigm. At least that’s as much
intelligence as the population is given to keep us in the
earth-bound paradigm. But these men were far ahead. These were
space age people."
Q: DID HE GIVE YOU ANY SPECIFICS ABOUT WHO IN THE UNITED
STATES WOULD STAND TO GAIN THE MOST FROM PERPETUATING A GAME OF
WAR FOR MONEY AND POWER?
Yes, he described it not as a blame on just a certain group. He
described it as the inexorably linked military-industrial-lab-university-NASA and other space
agencies-intelligence community-government complex that it was
intertwined, but there was a group that knew all of it. He did
not act as if he knew who it was.
– ET Threat to Perpetuate
Military-Industrial-Corporate-Academic Complex –
Q: FROM YOUR
PERSPECTIVE, THE GREATEST SECRET THAT WERNER VON BRAUN
WOULD BE HIDING WOULD BE THE FACT THAT THE EXTRATERRESTRIAL
BIOLOGICAL ENTITY IS A REALITY. BUT HIS CONCERN WAS THAT
INSTEAD OF BEING HONEST ABOUT ITS MOTIVATION, THAT THE U. S.
WOULD ULTIMATELY USE ETs AS ANOTHER THREAT IN
ORDER TO PERPETUATE BUDGETS FOR THE PENTAGON?
Not just for the Pentagon, but aerospace
industries, labs, universities and anyone else who has a job and
makes a profit from keeping this a secret. Although most of the
people in the industry don’t even know there is this big secret
of all time – and yes, you have articulated this very
beautifully. You are not at all putting words in my mouth –
that’s exactly what I’m saying.
Except that it’s not the influence of just people in the
Pentagon. This is some how, as he would put it,
inexorably linked to all the facets of profit-making, of
so-called security and defense mechanisms, of people who just
need a job to survive and pay for their kids’ college education
and also to keep the public stupid.
I have felt that since this happened, since I learned from the
heart of von Braun, that this huge secret is being kept
it has to have something to do with the ’off-planet
culture,’ that I call OPC phenomenon
that in fact, it was so real that this man could hardly talk
about this big secret and did not because of the threats
to his life and probably to the lives of others who worked with
him who might or might not have known. But he certainly did.
Q: WHY DOESN’T CHINA SPEAK OUT ABOUT ETs?
I did not put all this together for many years. I was one of the
people in a state of denial myself. I was a high paid woman
executive in an aerospace company who had been given an
assignment from Werner von Braun, but always thought of
myself as just an educator, a school teacher, to keep weapons
out of space so that as he would repeat continuously, ’The truth
would not only be revealed, disclosed’ – that official
acknowledgement has happened in different parts of the world,
but not in the United States.
I’m an official adviser to China. I’ve talked with
a lot of people over there and I feel they know the secret, but
being what they consider to be the Middle Kingdom, they
wait for other countries including the United States
to come forward. They are not what I would call initiators of
something so powerful. But they are very much seekers of the
truth and working on these issues.
Q: MEANING THEY ARE WAITING FOR THE UNITED STATES TO HOLD
THAT GLOBAL PRESS CONFERENCE OF ALL CENTURIES TO SAY WE’RE NOT
ALONE IN THE UNIVERSE, AND NOW WE ARE GOING TO INTRODUCE YOU TO
EXTRATERRESTRIAL BIOLOGICAL ENTITIES?
I actually had years ago one of the (Chinese) scientists
at a university tell me that that is what they were waiting for.
And I said, ’Well, if you know the truth, why don’t you go
public with it?’
They said, ’Well we wait because we consider ourselves to be of
the Middle Kingdom and we don’t want to be
aggressive in any way', even though (China) has
been identified as one of the potential enemies against the
United States. But they are not. And neither are the
Russians or any other country that I know of except for the
individuals or parts of cultures that we have antagonized so
much that they are so angry with us at this time.
So, I think Werner von Braun saw this back in the 1970s.
He died in 1977. Back into the 1940s and 1950s was when he
started to become aware of what the potential benefits of outer
space were to humanity.
– Must Prevent
Weaponization of Space –
But what he always added on to his talks with me – that for
years I did not say because of the ridicule factor – was this
message that we must prevent the weaponization of space
from happening and that the big lie is that none of them are
hostile, talking about this list of potential enemies
against whom we have been taught to fear and even hate –
that none of them are hostile.
We are all essence and none of them are hostile haunted me for
years until the early 2000s I started to learn about high level
military intelligence, corporate people, who had already gone
public by saying things like that, but also by emphasizing the
fact that we must keep weapons out of space and that there is
other life in the universe.
I’m just tuning into it myself and it has caused me to work with
people around the world who want to get a Space Preservation
Treaty signed and we do have a companion bill in the
Congress that was introduced even before the treaty came forward
by Congressman Dennis Kucinich (Dem-10th
Congressional District, Ohio) and others who co-sponsored it to
call for a ban on ALL space-based weapons. We don’t have to
study which ones. It would also prevent the destruction or
damage of anything in space that is in orbit.
In other words, our satellites that we need to verify what is in
space coming in (toward Earth) and what is on
Earth so we can see the Earth to reduce and eliminate missiles
and nuclear weapons and other dangerous and polluting
technologies on the planet. This must be done – we must protect
those satellites and they should NOT be used as ’force
multipliers’ in war games which is the old scenario. But
that is happening.
Q: WHY DO YOU THINK ADVANCED INTELLIGENCE – ONE OR MORE
OF THEM – WOULD EVEN ALLOW THE UNITED STATES OR ANY COUNTRY ON
THIS PLANET TO DEVELOP WEAPONS IN SPACE? WHY WOULDN’T THEY
INTERFERE BECAUSE IT IS TOO DANGEROUS?
From my information, they do not interfere. They will
not, however, allow us to take our weapons and toxins into
space. They will, however, let the human species do
whatever it does to itself. That’s the information I’ve been
given and that’s what I see happening. I have no evidence myself
for this, but I’ve read that OPCs (Off-Planet
Cultures) have shut down the attempt to put operational
weapons in space. I have also been given information that they
will not interfere with what we do.
However, there is a possibility that they would leave if we set
off nuclear bombs, nuclear technology, and/or continue with the
space-based weapons program. I am moving to Ecuador
now, but we have an office still in Vancouver, B.
C., Canada and people I’m working with here will continue in the
United States. I’ll be doing it from Ecuador.
But I’m 60 years old now and I’ve gone through this issue for 30
years now day and night, holding as von Braun did this
piece of information about this big lie that’s being told – this
canopy of lies that especially in the U. S. and because we keep
it such a big secret here – has been kept over our heads. It’s
like we live behind this veil of secrecy and so many of us who
know pieces of it – whether it’s intuitively or by experience or
by a learning process – we keep way under the radar. We talk
about it at dinner from a non-believing state to a giggle to an
’Oh, my God! This is real!’
Q: BUT, CAROL, IF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA HAS
ALREADY MILITARIZED SPACE OF THIS PLANET, HOW COULD WE POSSIBLY
ACHIEVE A TREATY NOW TO ELIMINATE SPACE-BASED WEAPONS?
Because we have not weaponized space. There are not
operational weapons in space patrolling us at this time. We have
just enough time – that’s how – to get a
Space Preservation Treaty
signed into law. You can see the companion Space Preservation
Act now in 2004 the number is H. R. 3615 that’s been
introduced into the Congress (by Rep. Dennis Kucinich).
Congress in the U. S. and this Administration are not going to
produce a ban on space-based weapons. In fact, the next
administration might not either, UNLESS we get world leaders to
sign the Space Preservation Treaty. That treaty getting
signed would put the necessary pressure that we need on the U.
S. Congress and Administration. So, the answer is now available
to us, we have the bill in Congress and a real treaty to be
Q: AND IF THIS DOES NOT HAPPEN, CAROL, WHAT IS THE WORST
CASE SCENARIO IN YOUR MIND?
In my mind, it’s inevitable obliteration of the human species.
I believe that is a very possible reality. I think we are very
close to it, we are in grave danger from any one of a number of
manmade or natural disasters that could occur.
Q: BUT CHINA, FOR EXAMPLE, IS GOING TO BE GOING TO THE
MOON SHORTLY AND THE U. S. IS CONCERNED ABOUT CHINA AS A
POLITICAL FORCE ON THE EARTH. I CAN’T HELP BUT WONDER IF WE ARE
HEADED TOWARD TERRITORIAL CONFLICTS ALREADY IN THE NEXT 5 OR 6
YEARS ABOUT WHO IS ON THE MOON.
We are headed toward territorial conflicts in space and on the
moon. That’s the whole point of this in the earth-bound context
and paradigm. But China does not want weapons in
space. Their leaders have said that for many decades. So has
Russia said that. These are the two main space super
powers with the United States.
Q: THAT’S WHY THE WERNER VON BRAUN STATEMENT THAT
THE UNITED STATES WOULD USE AS AN ENEMY’S LIST EXTRATERRESTRIALS
IS SIGNIFICANT HERE, BECAUSE WE WOULD THEN JUSTIFY SPACE-BASED
WEAPONRY AGAINST EXTRATERRESTRIALS?
That we would justify space-based weapons against any country
that the U. S. population and government leaders will buy into
as long as that scenario holds.
By the way, everything that I’ve just said to you has already
been proven to come true. In 1977, I was talking about the fact
that there was going to be a Gulf War because I
was in a meeting when it was being planned. In 1977! It’s one of
the reasons I woke up and resigned from my cushy position in the
I couldn’t believe there was a chart on the wall of potential
enemies against which we were going to build space-based weapons
that I and most people in the room had never even heard of. This
is how these wars are planned and I went forward with that story
for years. And then three months before the first Gulf War
started, my husband as my witness will tell you that I sat down
watching TV waiting for the war with even my husband saying, ’Carol,
you’ve flipped out.’ You’ve gone over the top. No one is talking
about a war in the Gulf.’
Because there was a certain amount of money in the space-based
weapons program that I was told would be in it when they were
ready to pulling space-based weapons to test the next phase of
weapons. By the way, part of the formula that I didn’t mention
earlier that is part of the creating the scenario of enemies
and wars leading to the potential extraterrestrial threat is that they have to have these wars in
order to dump the old weapons, test the new weapons, and
rationalize the budgets for the next set of weapons.
This is what they educate the public and the leaders about in
order to get their next enormous budgets. Notice how in each
war, if you track the weapon systems that have been used, they
are aiming toward the most advanced weaponry, the most horrific
weaponry, that the human species has mostly yet to imagine. But
that’s what is being tested in each war, aiming at always
seizing the high ground and putting these weapons up in space.
Because if you put these weapons up in geosynchronous orbit just
22,300 miles above the earth in just three spots in
geosynchronous orbit, you hit the whole footprint of the entire
Earth. You can control the Earth from that location in just
three spots. Imagine what they could do with the highest forms
of weapons technology.
Q: DID DR. VON BRAUN EVER SAY ANYTHING TO YOU
ABOUT THE YEAR 2012 AS BEING SOME KIND OF END YEAR? THAT
THERE WOULD BE DANGER IF SOMETHING WAS NOT ACCOMPLISHED BY THAT
No, he did not ever mention that to me, but what he did say
about the timing is that the timing was critical
to keep weapons out of space. His timing was with a sense of
momentum of funding vested interests and technology is put
into place that is as dangerous as is the deployment of
operational weapons themselves, we must achieve a ban on all
space-based weapons on this planet.’