Transmigration
Transcript of an interview Rampa gave in 1958
This is part of a transcript of an interview Rampa gave in 1958.
’The Third Eye’ is absolutely
true and all that I write in that book is fact. I, a Tibetan
Lama now occupy what was originally the body of a western man,
and I occupy it to the permanent and total exclusion of the
former occupant. He gave me his willing consent, being glad to
escape from life on this earth in view of my urgent need. The
actual changeover took place on 13 June 1949, but the way
had to be prepared some time before that. I know that I have a
special task to do, and I became aware that it would be
necessary to come to England for various reasons connected with
it. In the latter part of 1947 I was able by telepathy to send
impressions to a suitable person. In February 1948 he changed
his name by legal Deed Poll and took the name of Kuan
Suo as directed by me.
To make the changeover easier, he altered his addresses a number
of times and lost contact with all friends and relatives. On
June 13, 1949 he had a slight accident which resulted in
concussion and which ’knocked him
out
of himself.’ This enabled me to take over.
I tried very hard to obtain employment in England but for
various reasons there was no assistance from the Employment
Exchange. For years I visited Employment Exchanges ...but
none of them did anything for me.
For some time we lived on capital which had been saved and upon
anything which I was able to earn from doing free-lance writing
or advertising.
I have a special task to do because during my life in Tibet
I had been to the Chang Tang highlands where I had seen a
device which enables people to see the human aura. I am
clairvoyant and can see the aura as I have demonstrated
to many people at many times, but I was aware that if doctors
and surgeons could see the human aura then they could determine
the illness afflicting a human body before it was at all
serious. It was not possible for me to come to England in the
body which I had then. I tried, but to no avail.
The aura is merely a corona of discharge of the body,
of the life force. It is similar to the corona discharge from
high tension cables which can be seen by almost anyone on a
misty night, and if money would be spent on research, medical
science would have one of the most potent tools for the cure of
disease. I have to have money in order to carry out my own
research, but I have never taken money for curing people’s
illnesses or for taking their troubles off their shoulders, as
has been misrepresented in a certain paper.
And how did ’The Third Eye’ come to be written? I
certainly did not want to write it but I was desperate to get a
job so that I could get on with my allotted task. I tried for
job after job without avail, eventually a friend offered to put
me in touch with a gentleman would might be able to use my
services. Mr Brooks said I should write a book. I
insisted that I did not want to write a book and so we parted.
Mr Brooks wrote to me again and once more suggested that
I should write a book. In the interval between seeing him and
receiving his letter I had been for other interviews and had
been rejected.
So, with much reluctance I accepted
Mr Brooks’ offer to write a book and here again I repeat that
everything in that book is true. Everything said in my second
book ’Medical Lama’ is also true. One should not place
too much credence in ’experts’ or ’Tibetan scholars’ when it is
seen how one ’expert’ contradicts the other when they cannot
agree on what is right and what is wrong, and after all, how
many of those ’Tibetan scholars’ have entered a lamasery
at the age of seven and worked all the way through life as a
Tibetan, and then taken over the body of a westerner? I have!"
TESTIMONY OF SANYA
KUAN S.R.N
"..As far as I can see, it appears
that the announcement regarding the author of ’The Third Eye’
has done nothing but enhance Lobsang Rampa’s prestige,
and resulted in bringing his best seller more than ever before
the public eye. One lady, an authority on eastern methods and
religions, made the remark that if the facts were true, then
Lobsang Rampa was an even greater person than ever. Now she
is certain that the facts ARE true.
Many people will wonder about the one who occupied that western
body before it was taken over by a Tibetan, and I , as the wife,
would like to tell something of the events leading up to the
change of personality.
At the first indication of something different, I was more than
a little startled. We were leading a quiet life in Surrey, my
husband being on the staff of a correspondence college in an
advisory capacity. Out of the blue came his remark toward the
end of 1947. "I am going to change my name." I looked at him
aghast for I failed to see any point in doing such a thing. We
had nothing to hide, nothing from which to run away. It took me
some time to recover after he continued, "Yes we will change our
name by Deed Poll. We shall call ourselves KuanSuo."
By February 1948 all legal formalities had been completed and we
had no further right to our previous name. My husband’s employer
was not pleased, but there was little he could do about it,
especially as about that time one of the firm’s directors had
made an alteration to his own name.
Of course, everyone thought that we had at least taken leave of
our senses, but that never bothered me. I had lived with my
husband for eight years and knew that if he had a hunch to do
anything at all, there was a very good reason for it. Soon,
however, we noticed that people were not saying our name when
addressing us, and even after seeing it written, they didn’t
seem able to spell it; for that reason we later contracted it to
Ku’an. I want to clarify this point to show that we have
no time used an alias as has been mistakenly suggested.
At about this time my husband talked a great deal about the east
and on occasions he did in fact wear eastern dress; he often
seemed to be very pre-occupied in his manner, and I have known
him to fall into a ’trance state’ and speak in an unfamiliar
tongue, which I now believe to be a language of the east. In
July 1948 he again made a sudden decision... this time to give
up his job. This he did to the consternation of the employer who
had always found him to be a very useful and conscientious
member of his staff. The idea behind it was so that we could
leave the district and lose all contact, which we did. Within a
year he had completely lost touch with previous acquaintances
and with our former life. We managed to exist on what we had
saved, together with what we could earn from various forms of
writing.
The day I happened to look out of the window and see my husband
lying at the foot of a tree in the garden, is something I shall
never forget. I hurried out to find he was recovering, but to me
a trained nurse, he seemed to be stunned or something. When
eventually he regained consciousness, he seemed to act
differently and in a way I did not understand.
After getting him indoors and upstairs to our flat to rest, the
main thought in my mind was to get a doctor as quickly as
possible, but I was reckoning without him... He seemed to sense
my alarm and implored me not to do so, assuring me that he was
quite alright. Certainly his speech seemed different, more
halting, as if he was unfamiliar with the language, and his
voice appeared deeper than before.
For sometime I was quite concerned for something seemed to have
happened to his memory... before speaking or moving he appeared
to be making calculations; much later I learned that he was
’tuning’ into my mind’ to see what was expected of him. I do not
mind admitting that in the earliest stages I was very worried,
but now it seems quite natural. I have never ceased to wonder
that such an ordinary individual as myself should be so closely
associated with such a remarkable occurrence as the advent of a
Tibetan lama to the western world."
DECLARATION OF
MRS RAMPA
This is an extract from Stanké’s book, where he interviewed
Sarah Rampa. It is translated from French.
"As far as I know there is only one
way to evaluate the declarations of my husband. It consists of
reading all his books from the beginning to end. That’s where
the truth is. I am a registered Nurse and as such have a lot of
experience concerning the observations of people, their
attitudes, reactions or changes. Therefore I declare that
everything Rampa has said is true, as far as I know. One
of the most unpleasant things is the fierce hatred felt by some
of the press. Yet those who react so harshly have declared
publicly that they had read none of the books. Didn’t a critic
recently assert he had read one or two pages but did not want to
continue reading it?
Surprisingly, he began a fierce
attack against a book he hadn’t read! How, under those
conditions can you ’reveal’ anything to one whose mind is so
closed? When a person doesn’t want to believe, no proof in the
world, or beyond this world would convince him. The belief has
to come from the person himself. One thing is clear, several
persons have without respite attempted to get rid of Lobsang
Rampa and to prevent him from writing. They haven’t
succeeded and they never will. As far as I know, Lobsang Rampa
never was a plumber, and he is not today either...
When ’The Third Eye’ was published I made a declaration
to the press. It was completely distorted. The press twisted my
words and succeeded in making me claim that Rampa was an
impostor. It is false, I have never thought nor claimed that he
was an impostor. On the contrary, I assert, as I’ve always said
that his books are true...
I am my husband’s wife, and when a woman is married to a man,
she understands him, his moods, his peculiarities. If, suddenly,
everything changes in him, if it becomes evident to the woman
that she lives with another man, a really different man, we have
to accept the reality of the way it is. It can’t be proved. I
was in this situation. I saw a change occurring, I observed how
the transmigration happened. However, I continued to live
with him. But everything is different. We live rather like
brother and sister, both making the best of the difficult
situation we are in. But as I’ve witnessed all theses things, as
I’ve experienced it, there remains no doubt it is the truth...
Lobsang Rampa knows the truth. He knows what he believes
in and he is the person he claims to be. When the changeover
occurred we had a very beautiful tabby cat with a silver coat
and his attitude was surprising. Our tabby cat had extraordinary
reactions towards the one I could call the New One. He showed an
unusual respect towards him and anyone who saw him would have
been most impressed by the wisdom of one of these ’dumb
animals’.
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