by Alex Jones
Excerpts from websites
about the Bohemian Grove summer camp
and other occult
influences in US and world leadership
the Global Elite
by Suzanne Bohan,
(Published Aug. 2, 1999)
MONTE RIO – The Bohemian Club’s
Annual Summer Encampment came to a close here Sunday, ending a
two-week retreat for the rich and powerful that President
Herbert Hoover once called “the greatest men’s party on Earth.”
The club’s famed annual gathering has been held for more than
100 years at the 2,700-acre Bohemian Grove in Monte Rio, about
70 miles north of San Francisco in Sonoma County.
This year’s event drew in notables such as former President
George Bush, Texas Gov. George W. Bush, Henry
Kissinger, retired Gen. Colin Powell, former House
Speaker Newt Gingrich and Dow Chemical Chairman Frank
Popoff, as well as actor Danny Glover.
The men gather to celebrate what they call “the spirit of
Bohemia,” said Peter Phillips, a Sonoma State
University sociology professor who wrote his doctoral
dissertation on the Bohemian Club.
“This is a place men can go and
hang out with people who are similar to them,” he said.
The annual gathering near the
Russian River, which was first held in 1879, starts with the “Cremation
of Care” ritual, in which the club’s mascot is burned in
effigy to an owl god (Moloch), symbolizing a
freedom from care. Members also perform several plays, and
gourmet food and expensive wine are plentiful.
While the club was formed in 1872 by a group of San Francisco
journalists, the male-only club now bars journalists from
membership to protect the group’s privacy. Membership is
coveted, and people routinely wait 10 or 15 years before gaining
admittance. There are currently about 2,700 members.
Bohemian Grove Action Network has periodically held
demonstrations at the grove, although none were held this year.
The August 2, 1982 edition of
Newsweek magazine reported:
“... the world’s most prestigious
summer camp – the Bohemian Grove – is now in session 75 miles
north of San Francisco. The fiercely guarded, 2,700-acre retreat
is the country extension of San Francisco’s all-male
ultra-exclusive Bohemian Club to which every Republican
President since Herbert Hoover has belonged.
With its high-powered clientele,
coveted privacy and cabalistic rituals, the Bohemian Grove has
prompted considerable suspicion.”
Maclean’s magazine, March 23, 1981
Each summer, for three weekends –
this year’s will be the 103rd – nearly 2,000
Bohemians, with guests in tow, speed in by car and corporate jet
to their guarded Grove, close by the hamlet of Monte Rio
(population 1,200) on the Russian River.
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The Grove’s Shakespearean motto,
“Weaving spiders come not here,” is an injunction to forget
wheeling and dealing which is widely ignored. While
‘ruling-class cohesiveness’ rarely lets slip details of
accommodations arrived at there, some – such as the 1967
agreement by Ronald Reagan, over a drink with Richard
Nixon, to stay out of the coming presidential race – have
helped mould America’s destiny.
Oddly enough, reporters are barred from this club, formed one
night in 1872 by five bored news hawks on the old San Francisco
Examiner to promote good fellowship (i.e., booze-ups) and ‘to
help elevate journalism to that place in the popular estimation
to which it is entitled.’ That aspiration went down the drain
when membership was extended to show people, and by 1878, the
year of the first Grove-fest, the journalist were already on
their way out.
Today, a prospective member faces an interrogation that,
according to one club man, ‘would satisfy the KGB.’ There is a
waiting list of 1,500 notables, all eager to pay the $2,500
initiation fee and $600-a-year dues.”
Mother Jones, August 1981 volume 6 page
28, reported a partial list of some of the prominent members:
Antony C. Sutton, editor of an excellent
monthly newsletter, Phoenix Letter, stated in the October, 1996
“Up to a few months ago, our
knowledge of Bohemian Grove, the exclusive elitist
hideaway by supposedly adult wheeler dealers, a.k.a. Washington
statesman and prominent people (all male).
We dismissed the behavior as immature, even pitiful, by
emotionally disturbed juveniles and not worth attention. This is
where Kissinger, Ford, Nixon, Bechtel,
Bush, Cheney, Hoover and their friends
(2600 members) hang out and “relax.” And if they want to behave
as little boys that is their privilege, it is private property.
Recent information may radically change this perception of
Bohemian Grove. Not merely drunkenness, unbounded use of
alcohol and drugs with vague homosexual tones (confirmed by our
sources) but reported activities much more serious – kidnapping,
rape, paedophilia, sodomy, ritual murder. Investigation is
blocked under the 1947 National Security Act.(!) and like
the Omaha child abuse case, includes illegal detention of
For decades, there have been vague rumors of weird goings on in
Bohemian Grove in more remote parts of its 2200 acres. Reliable
reports claim Druidic like rituals - druids in red hooded robes
marching in procession and chanting to the Great Owl (Moloch)
- a funeral pyre with “corpses”.
(Scores of men work in the Bohemian
Grove as servants so this party is fairly well established.)
An article in a local community
newspaper, Santa Rosa Sun (1993, July) reported on the Cult of
Canaan and the legend of Moloch in place at Bohemian Grove.
The Moloch Pagan Cult of
is human sacrifice. About the mid 1980s there were rumors of
murders in remote parts of the property. A local police
investigation went nowhere. State investigators on related
criminal acts went nowhere.
According to an observer and near victim, who can describe the
Bohemian Grove inner hideaways, the closed sanctum, even
the decor at secret locations, places where no outsider goes (or
servants according to our sources) there is an UNDERGROUND
lounge (sign spelled U.N.derground) a Dark Room, a
Leather Room and a Necrophilia Room.
Here is one of
“Slaves of advancing age or with
failed programming were sacrificially murdered at random in
the wooded grounds of Bohemian Grove and I felt it was only
a matter of time until it would be me.”
This potential victim survived.
Others reportedly did not.
These cults were based on human sacrifice. Why would a 20th
century resort reproduce the cult ceremonies? At the minimum, it
demonstrates an attraction to the ceremonial practices of the
cult, i.e. adoration of destruction, blood, barbarity and
sacrifice of children.
In brief, the O’Brien charges are consistent with the
Bohemian Grove as played out in ceremony. This is not a
resort devoted to, for example, tennis or swimming. It is
apparently devoted to blood sacrifices.
The monthly Phoenix Letter is
available by writing to Phoenix Letter, Suite 216 C, 1517 14th St.
West, Billings, MT 59102.
Bohemian Grove Action Network
What is the Bohemian Grove?
The Bohemian Grove is a 2700 acre
redwood forest, located in Monte Rio, CA. It contains
accommodation for 2000 people to “camp” in luxury. It is owned
by the Bohemian Club.
What is the Bohemian Club?
The Bohemian Club is a private all
male club, which is headquartered in the Bohemian building in
San Francisco. It was formed in 1872 by men who sought shelter
from the frontier culture (or lack of culture).
Who are the present members?
The Club has evolved into an
association of rich and powerful men, mostly of this country
(there are similar organizations in other countries).
Some artists are allowed to join (often at reduced rates),
because of their social status and entertainment value. The
membership list has included every Republican U.S. president (as
well as some Democrats) since 1923, many cabinet officials, and
directors & CEO’s of large corporations, including major
What industries are represented among
Major military contractors,
oil companies, banks including the
Federal Reserve), utilities
(including nuclear power), and national media (broadcast
and print) have high-ranking officials as club members or
guests. Many members are, or have been, on the board of
directors of several of these corporations. You should note that
most of the above industries depend heavily on a relationship
with government for their profitability.
The members stay in different camps at the Grove, which have
varying status levels. Members and frequent guests of the most
prestigious camp (Mandalay) include:
S. D. Bechtel, Jr.
Thomas Watson Jr.
Phillip Hawley (B of
William Casey (CIA)
Ralph Bailey (Dupont)
George Bush resides in a less
prestigious camp (Hillbillies) with A. W. Clausen
(World Bank), Walter Cronkite, and
William F. Buckley.
What activities take place at the grove?
The grove is the site of a two week
retreat every July (as well as other smaller get-togethers
throughout the year). At these retreats, the members commune
with nature in a truly original way. They drink heavily from
morning through the night, bask in their freedom to urinate on
the redwoods, and perform pagan rituals – including the “Cremation
of Care”, in which the members wearing red-hooded robes,
cremate a coffin effigy of “Dull Care” at the base of a
40 foot owl altar. Some (20%) engage in homosexual
activity (but few of them support gay rights or AIDS research).
They watch (and participate in) plays and comedy shows in which
women are portrayed by male actors. Although women are not
allowed in the Grove, members often leave at night to enjoy the
company of the many prostitutes who come from around the world
for this event. Is any of this hard to believe? Employees of the
Grove have said that no verbal description can accurately
portray the bizarre behavior of the Grove’s inhabitants.
Besides this type of merriment, the annual gathering serves as
an informational clearing house for the elite. The most powerful
men in the country do their “networking” here, despite the
Grove’s motto “weaving spiders come not here” (don’t do business
in the Grove). At these gatherings men representing the
government, military-industrial, and financial
sectors meet and
make major policy decisions.
The Manhattan project, which produced the first atomic
was conceived at the Grove in 1942. Other decisions made
at the Grove include who our presidential candidates will be.
There are speeches, known as “Lakeside Talks”, wherein
high-ranking officials disseminate information which is not
available to the public-at-large.
What are the topics of discussion at the
The 1991 talks included:
HEW Secretary, Carter Administration
“America‘s Health Care Revolution: Who Lives, Who
Dies, Who Pays”
Former German Prime Minister
”The Enormous Problems of the 21st
Nixon & Reagan Administrations
“Defining a New World Order”
Secretary of the Navy, Reagan Administration
Present Secretary of Defense
“Major Defense Problems of the 21st
What’s not right about this?
When powerful people work together,
they become even more powerful. The Grove membership is wealthy,
and becoming more so, while the middle class is steadily
becoming poorer. This close-knit group determines whether prices
rise or fall (by their control of the banking system, money
supply, and markets), and they make money whichever way markets
fluctuate. They determine what our rights are and which laws
have effect, by appointing judges. They decide who our highest
officials shall be by consensus among themselves, and then
selling candidates to us via the media which they own. Important
issues and facts are omitted from discussion in the press, or
slanted to suit their goals, but they are discussed frankly at
Is there true democracy when so much power is concentrated in so
few hands? Is there any real difference between the public and
private sectors when cabinet members come from the boardrooms of
large corporations? Is the spending of billions on
weapons, which are by consensus no longer needed, really the
will of the people? Or is it the will of General Electric,
General Dynamics, and the other weapons contractors represented
at the Grove?
What can I do to make a difference?
Educate yourself about the Grove
and it’s inhabitants, and the true nature of the power
structure in the world. Then educate your friends. Since
most major newspapers and broadcast stations are owned by
“insiders”, be wary of everything you hear in the press. If you
can, participate in protest activities during the July retreat.
How do I get more information about the
Send a note to: Bohemian Grove
Action Network, P.O. Box 296, Occidental CA 95465. A $5 donation
to cover printing and mailing costs is requested.
Description of the Pagan Rituals of Bohemian Grove
Activist Alex Jones, infiltrated the Bohemian Grove, becoming
the first journalist to capture and expose video of the bizarre,
Luciferian ceremonies that have been taking place there for over 120
“Alex Jones Has Blown
Bohemian Grove Wide Open!” says John Sergeant of World of
Wonder, UK Channel 4
During the ceremony globalist leaders
from across North America and the rest of the world watch as a black
garbed boatman delivers the effigy of a human being to be burned at
the feet of the 40-50ft tall stone owl god by robe-clad druid-like
priests. Participants openly worship the owl and scream for the
burning death of the human effigy.
Participants openly worshiped the owl. It appeared that low-level
Acolytes were dressed in black and red robes, with higher-level
priests in combinations of gold, silver and red. The high priest in
silver and red robes repeatedly worshiped the owl, which he said was
a symbol of Babylon and Tyre. The male-only elitist gathering
chants and screams for the death of “Care” symbolized by a human
References and images of the owl are
consistent throughout the grove, including an owl logo on the
cocktail napkins, and the words “The Owl” are inscribed on the
vehicles that transport people about the camp
(above image). The owl worldwide has been used as a symbol of
the god of death, misfortune and human sacrifice. From Babylon
to the ancient Druids the owl god has tasted its share of
Interestingly - and very significantly - the roads which surround
the government buildings at Capitol Hill in Washington DC
(see the red outlined area in the map below), when seen from the air
form a shape remarkably similar to the shape of the owl used in the
ceremony “Cremation of Care”.
The program cover for the ceremony “Cremation
of Care” depicts a skeleton, a demon, and the huge owl
illuminated by flames. A small white drawing above the name of the
director depicts a demon or devil with the initials PJ sweeping
something up with a witch’s broom. (below
At the entrance to one of the camp areas
there is a skull with the words – “Je Suis LaFitte.” LaFitte was a
French pirate. Because the text of the sign is unclear, it can be
read as saying, “Je Suis La Fille.” The translation for “Je Suis La
Fille” would be either, “I am the daughter,” or “I am the girl.”
Descriptions of the video clips are as
Here you see the group of priests
with torches, in red, black and silver hooded robes. The
high priest is rationalizing the fact that human sacrifice
brings beauty into the world.
Here you see the group of priests with torches in red, black and
silver hooded robes. The priest praises the owl-god and tells
everyone to be reverend before him.
This clip shows the boatman in
black-hooded garb journeying across the lake to the owl god,
Molak, with the human effigy (we hope) sacrifice. The boatman’s
face was painted to resemble that of a skull. The priests on the
right await their victim.
Watch and hear the screams as the simulated human sacrifice takes
place to the great owl of Babylon. Midsummer is the high holy point
for luciferians and occultists – hear the priest’s words as he burns
the effigy – “once again midsummer sets us free.”
The Significance Of Bohemian
Grove Owl Worship
Ask any Native American elder. When Owl manifests in a
stone form, it means a lack of empathy.
Shamans the world over manifest their power animals as
living beings, just as they are in nature, not as stone idols. …
When people begin to see their power animals as stone idols it means
they have lost their empathy with the four leggeds of the animal
kingdom, and with the two leggeds, the humans. It means they are
pursuing self interest over service to others.
Owl medicine is symbolically associated with clairvoyance,
astral projection, and magic, both black and white. Owl is called
Night Eagle on several medicine wheels used by Amerindian teachers.
Traditionally, Owl sits in the East, the place of illumination.
Since time immemorial, humanity has been afraid of the night, the
dark, and the unseen – waiting fearfully for the first crack of
morning light. Conversely, night is Owl’s friend...
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Owl is often times the medicine of sorcerers and witches. If
Owl is your medicine, you will be drawn to magical practices and
perhaps explore the dark arts. You should resist any temptation to
practice black magic or any art that takes energy away from another
person or being. If you have Owl medicine, these night birds will
have a tendency to collect around you, even in the daytime, because
they recognize a kinship with you...
This quote is from Jamie Sams and David Carson’s book:
Medicine Cards, The Discovery of Power Through
the Ways of Animals.
References to Molech – the Owl
Do not give any of your children to
be sacrificed to Molech, for you must not profane the
name of your God. I am the LORD.
Say to the Israelites: ‘Any
Israelite or any alien living in Israel who gives any of his
children to Molech must be put to death. The people of
the community are to stone him. I will set my face against that
man and I will cut him off from his people; for by giving his
children to Molech, he has defiled my sanctuary and
profaned my holy name.
So Solomon did evil in the eyes of
the LORD; he did not follow the LORD completely,
as David his father had done. On a hill east of Jerusalem,
Solomon built a high place for Chemosh the detestable god
of Moab, and for
Molech the detestable god of the Ammonites.
(1 Kings 11:6,7)
He (Josiah) desecrated Topheth,
which was in the Valley of Ben Hinnom, so no one could use it to
sacrifice his son or daughter in the fire to Molech.
(2 Kings 23:10)
The people of Israel and Judah have
provoked me by all the evil they have done…. They set up their
abominable idols in the house that bears my Name and defiled it.
They built high places for Baal in the Valley of Ben
Hinnom to sacrifice their sons and daughters to Molech,
though I never commanded, nor did it enter my mind, that they
should do such a detestable thing and so make Judah sin.
George Bush and the Secret ‘Skull & Bones’ Fraternity
This secret fraternity is based at Yale University in New Haven,
Connecticut, where many of the leading members of the U.S.
government and the American intelligence community received their
formal education. The Order, as it is referred to by its members, is
a bastion of White Anglo Saxon Protestant (WASP) culture,
which is at the core of the American 20th century
The reader will learn that President George Herbert Walker Bush’s
concept of the
New World Order is an old idea, one
which has its origins in the philosophy and beliefs of the secret
Skull & Bones fraternity. Today in
particular, this is the prevailing outlook of the U.S. government,
many of whose most influential members, like the president himself,
are part of the Skull & Bones network.
Skull & Bones was founded at Yale College in New Haven,
Connecticut in 1832. It is the oldest and most prestigious of Yale’s
seven secret societies. Among the others are: Scroll & Key, Book &
Snake, Wolf’s Head, Eliahu, and Berzelius. These fraternities serve
as a recruiting ground for young men destined for careers in
government, law, finance and other influential sectors of American
The Skull & Bones members believe in the idea of “constructive
chaos”. By keeping their true policy intentions secret, by
constantly sending out mixed signals on all critical policy issues,
they consciously seek to sow confusion among both their nominal
‘friends’ and ‘enemies’ alike. The fulcrum for the policy of
constructive chaos is, at present, the Middle East situation.
Although U.S. military action in the region has for the time being
subsided, America’s military power will remain a critical
determinant in the future of that vital zone of conflict.
Two critics of the Order, historian Antony Sutton and
investigative journalist Ron Rosenbaum (himself a Yale
graduate), both concluded that Skull & Bones has degenerated
since its founding and has taken on more of the occult and
ritualistic trappings of the majority of European freemasonic and
illuminati secret societies. Sutton charges that the
Order is secretly known among its initiates as the “Brotherhood
of Death” and has become an evil instrument in the hands of
America’s secret power elite. Rosenbaum claims that the
society’s Germanic origins are inherently wicked and pre-Nazi. In a
long 1977 article in Esquire magazine, Rosenbaum charged that the
Skull & Bones building on the Yale campus houses remnants from
Hitler’s private collection of silver.
According to a 1940 Skull & Bones document, the initiation ceremony
involves the following kinds of things:
“New man placed in coffin and
carried into central part of building; New man chanted over and
reborn into society; Removed from coffin and given robes with
symbols on it. A bone with his name on it is tossed into the
bone heap at the start of every meeting.”
Within the Skull & Bones Crypt, also known as “the Tomb,”
there is what is referred to as a “sacred room” with the number
322. On the arched wall about the vault entrance is inscribed
“Who was the fool, who was the wise
man, beggar or king? Whether poor or rich, all’s the same in
In the world of Skull & Bones, one of the greatest virtues is
the ability to steer the nation into war and to successfully
prosecute the war. To the Bonesmen, the use of military power is a
natural and essential corollary to political power. The Bonesmen are
taught that, although ideas have their place, to truly transform
history, military force is almost always required. Critics of the
Order have pointed out that this philosophy of power and the
imperial use of military force comes straight from the chronicles of
the Roman Empire - especially the Roman Empire during its phase of
decline and collapse.
The Skull & Bones philosophy, according to several of its
most astute critics and historians, emphasizes the “double-cross
system.” The “double-cross” is symbolically represented by
the crossbones on the emblem of the Order. According to this
philosophy, anyone who is not an initiate is inferior, and can be
lied to and manipulated to further the power of the WASP
(White Anglo Saxon Protestant)
Establishment. To the extent that world leaders view their
American WASP counterparts as men of honor whose word is sacred and
whose intentions are presumed to be virtuous, they will miss the
fundamental character of the American imperium. This is of
special importance today, with a leading member of the Skull &
Bones system occupying the White House.
Bible Gateway website:
And I saw an angel coming down out
of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a
great chain. He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is
the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. He
threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to
keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand
years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short
I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given
authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been
beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the
word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and
had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands.
They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. (The
rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years
were ended.) This is the first resurrection.
Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first
resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they
will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for
a thousand years.
When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from
his prison and will go out to deceive the nations in the four
corners of the earth--Gog and Magog--to gather them for battle.
In number they are like the sand on the seashore. They marched
across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God's
people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and
And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of
burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been
thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
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Bilderberg Conferences – the power
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The Illuminati News - the webmaster
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his family - see webpage
See an older archived copy
Global Secret Societies - includes
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The Origins of the Illuminati
Georgia Guidestones - Occult
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thousand points of light.”
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Knights of Malta. Its
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