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Underground Bases
Part I
This subject is rather "touchy" for a
lot of reasons. The first time I was exposed to it, I rejected it
outright as being pure "poppycock." However, as I began to research
in many other areas, particularly historical, I found that there are
many things that not only tend to confirm this idea, but are
explainable only in these terms. The historical work will be
included in the "Grail Quest" series which is currently in process,
so be sure to read all of it as it is posted in order to have a full
background for all of the following information.
For the most part, this information was delivered during 1995 with a
few of the last pieces in 1996 and 1997. We have not come back to
the subject since that time, but we do plan to include it in a
future session.
The material is presented chronologically (as it was received) and
explanatory notes are inserted where necessary.
This was extracted from one of the earliest sessions in 1994. There
were so many other issues on our agenda that we did not come back to
it again for some time.
Q: (L) Why are there more abductions
by the grays in the United States than in other countries around
the world?
A: Government opened channel.
Q: (L) Are there alien bases in the United States?
A: Yes. New Mexico, Colorado, Off Florida, Appalachia,
California.
Q: (L) Are these underground bases?
A: Yes. Also under water.
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Underground Bases
Part II
I did not necessarily believe the information about all these alien
bases, but I was willing to suspend disbelief for the duration of
the sessions if only to collect a large amount of data to analyze.
About a year later, I had worked with some abductees who reported
being taken to underground bases, or tunnel areas, where large
laboratories were set up and some of the descriptions were so
bizarre that I was pretty much incredulous. I had the idea that
these were, in fact, screen memories to mask something much more
prosaic. Some of the other group members were a lot more
knowledgeable about the subject than I was, having read more
extensively in the realms of UFO literature.
It seems that there was
such a mass of confusing information on the subject that we wanted
to just get to the "basics" and get "another opinion," so to speak.
Q: (L) We want to know if there are
really underground tunnels all over the place that many people
have reported being taken to in alien abductions?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) Do they predate humanity?
A: A few.
Q: (T) Are they equivalent of subway tunnels, to get from one
place to another?
A: Okay.
Q: (L) How do they travel through these tunnels?
A: Electromagnetically.
Q: (T) Can individuals be transported through the tunnels
without benefit of equipment? Or do they use some kind of
gadgetry?
A: All of the above.
Q: (L) Who occupies these tunnels?
A: Various.
Q: (T) Are there still beings in there?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) Are humans involved in this?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) Were there humans involved in digging some of these
tunnels?
A: Some.
Q: (T) Before that, there were other beings that were not human?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) Are those other beings still down there?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) Is this a worldwide network of tunnels?
A: No.
Q: (T) Where are most of the tunnels?
A: North America, since that is the "capitol" of
STS, currently.
Q: (T) Are there other tunnel systems other than in North
America?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) Do any of the tunnels lead to Antarctica?
A: No.
Q: (T) Is there any way of getting to Antarctica through the
tunnel systems even if you have to come to the surface
occasionally?
A: Okay.
Q: (T) Is there some kind of underground base in
Antarctica?
A: Yes. Eight.
Q: (T) Were any of those bases underground in Antarctica built
by the Germans during World War II?
A: Sect. Remember, all is structured in cycles and circles.
Circles within circles.
Q: (L) Masons?
A: One example of concept.
Q: (T) Jan and I have a friend who has told us about someone she
knew who found entrances to tunnel systems in North America. One
of the entrances was in the Airondacks, another was in the
Mammoth cave system. Was what she was told true?
A: Yes, but there are thousands of entrances. Are you ready for
a "shocker?"
Q: (J) Oh, you know we are always ready for a shocker.
(L) Sure!
(T) Okay, give us the shocker.
(J) We're ready!
A: There is a tunnel right beneath your feet!
Q: (J) I knew they were going to say that.
(L) How deep under
our feet?
A: 2000 feet.
Q: (T) Is that tunnel being used?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) Are there humans down there?
A: Have been, listen for sound anomalies such as loud sonic boom
like noises and vague motorized sounds.
Q: (L) Is there any kind of electronic gadgetry down there
causing my appliances to keep breaking down?
A: Maybe.
Q: (T) Is there an entrance to this tunnel underneath us
somewhere in this area?
A: Near power plant.
Q: (T) Is that why the power plant is built there?
A: Related; old Nike base.
Q: (T) What direction does this tunnel run that is underneath
us?
A: East - West.
Q: (T) The West ends at the power plant. Okay, where does the
East end go?
A: Near Lakeland. Transfer point and redirector.
Q: (T) Is there another tunnel that comes into this tunnel, that
intersects this tunnel?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) Near Lakeland?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) Is that what you are talking about; a transfer point?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) Does that tunnel travel North/South?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Lakeland is in the center of the state.
(T) Where does it
go? Are these side tunnels to a main tunnel that runs along the
East coast?
A: All are interconnected.
Q: (T) So, it is like a subway or bus line? Is there a tunnel
farther South of here?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) How far does the farthest South tunnel go?
A: Antarctica.
Q: (T) I was thinking about the military base.
(L) I would think
that the tunnels bear no relationship to the structures under
the surface except in certain instances.
(J) But, what got there
first, the tunnels or the structures on the surface?
(L)
Obviously the tunnels have been there for a long time, and
perhaps, in certain instances a situation may be manipulated so
that a specific structure is built to facilitate the tunnel
usage, but the fact that Lakeland is built over it may not be
relevant.
(T) There is no entrance to the tunnel system near
Lakeland?
A: Yes. Phosphate plant. Mine.
Q: (J) Was the placement of this tunnel under our feet the
reason Laura got this house?
A: No.
Q: (T) Does the placement of the tunnel underneath us have
something to do with the channel?
A: Maybe.
Q: (T) Because of the greater EM underneath us; we are tapping
into that EM energy?
A: Helps in offhand way.
Several months later we had a guest, my brother, who is retired
from the Navy. He was curious about some strange experiences he
had while on a "shake down cruise" of one of the new Aegis
guided missle cruisers.
This series of questions led to some
really STRANGE things...
Q: (L) Are all military personnel routinely abducted and studied
by aliens?
A: No.
Q: (L) Are all military personnel routinely abducted and studied
by the military itself?
A: No.
Q: (L) What is the classification that the person has to fall
into in order to be abducted and studied by the military?
A: What makes you think "classifications" correlates with
abductions?
Q: (TK) It's not the classification, it's.... It's gotta be the
type of person...
A: Yes.
Q: (TK) And how easy it would be to influence....
A: Of course. And many other factors.
Q: (TK) It would have to have something to do with what they
could do for the abductors. I mean, they have to be in a
position to help them...
A: Yes.
STS. Vibrational frequency.
Q: (L) OK, so if the person has an STS vibrational frequency,
that already predisposes them to abduction. Is that correct?
A: Some.
Q: (T) OK, that's a factor. There's more than one agenda
involved with abductions. Are the military personnel that are
being abducted, is that a specific agenda that is being
followed?
A: Artificial classifications, such as military designations,
are important to human groups only.
Q: (J) I've got a question. Isn't it true that in order to
become part of the military, you have to go through boot camp,
the indoctrination to the point where you're going to follow
orders without questioning, and that that mind-set would lend
itself more towards...
(TK) The Marines are about the only ones
that even try to get people to follow orders without question
any more. The Navy has all but given up on that.
(J) That's
interesting. I didn't know that. I just assumed that all
military.
(TK) Well, it's not a time of war so it's not
necessary right now.
A: Yes. Some have always "faked" such blind allegiance anyway.
Q: (TK) I basically faked it, I...
A: You were not alone.
Q: (TK) Oh, yeah! There were a bunch of us. "Yeah, sure, tell us
what to do. If it's in our interest, if we're going to stay
alive, we'll do it; if you're going to kill us, forget it!" I
used to tell them on the ship, that if those suckers ever catch
me, I'm going to tell them everything I know. I said, they
aren't going to have to torture me long...
(T) Besides, when you
torture me, I tend to scream a lot and not tell you too much, so
I'll just tell you and let' s skip the torture.
(TK) So when I
refused to go up for ESWIS, I was kind of an outcast, I wasn't
in the club anymore... Enlisted Surface Warfare Specialist. This
captain put it in such a way, he said, "Well, if you'll work on
your ESWS and get that pin, I'll see to it that you get good
marks and make chief..." , which to me was like saying, well, if
you don't do it, you're not going to make chief. I said Sorry,
bud! I don't respond well to that kind of stuff.
(F) You would
have set the service back a number of years.
(TK) That's when I
became an outcast from the club.
A: Not correct concept, not outcast, just deemed not SG
material.
Q: (L) What's SG?
A:
Secret Government.
Q: (TK) Darn!
(J) You had your chance Tom, and you blew it!
A: There are several steps that must be followed to become part
of the secret government. Viet Nam MIA's, where do you suppose
they are now?
Q: (TK) Have they been abducted?
(T) Some of them got blown up
so badly that they couldn't be found, so they were listed as
MIAs, because they couldn't mark them as KIAs (Killed In
Action). Some of them are
deserters, some of them... well, deserters would fall into
several classifications, which I won't bother getting into. Some
of them went into the drug trade.
(TK) Some of them just decided
they liked it better over there.
(T) Yeah, there's that, and
some of them, I would imagine, have been either abducted or
swapped, moved into the secret government.
(L) Is all of this
correct?
A: Yes. KIA's... Are a Separate subject!! KIA's, how many really
were?
Q: (T) How many of the 60,000 really were killed? How many of
them are listed as dead when they're not? Intelligence...Are
these some of the people working in these underground places?
A: Yes... Yes...Yes.
Q: (L) That's where those personnel are coming from... their
lives, they have died the philosopher's death.
A: And many other places, times. etc...
Q: (TK) Wars all through the ages. How many are we talking
about?
A: Since your imagination center is on low frequency tonight,
suppose we have to spell it all out for you, W.W.II, 72,355,
still alive where????
Q: (L) Is that the correct figure?...
(T) Now, wait a minute...
A: Yes.
Q: (T): That's how many people the secret government has
snatched up?
(TK) That's out of something like 40 million
casualties...
(F) Total People killed in W.W.II was 70 to 80
million...
(TK) Military casualties... . we're not talking about
just U.S. military, either, we're talking about total,
anybody....
(L) Still alive!
(T) That were supposedly killed in
action...
A: Yes.
Q: (T): From all branches of the service.
A: Yes.
Q: (TK): These people aren't aging; they're still in action and
ready to go...
A: Precisely, my friends!!!
Q: (J) OK, that's just W.W.II...
(TK) How about Korea, Vietnam,
etc...
(L) All right, what's the figure from Korea?
(TK) What
difference does it make?
A: 6,734.
Q: (TK) How about the Gulf War?
A: Yes. 55.
Q: (T): Yeah, there was about 55 thousand casualties in Korea,
in the four years of Korea. Really it was 3 1/2 years in Korea.
So 6,000, about a little over 10% of them aren't really dead.
A: 23,469.
Q: (T) 23,000 of the 66,000...
A: Yes.
Q: (T): ...are still alive?
A: Yes. Some are body duplicate soul receptacle replacements.
Q: (J) They have just around 100,000 with those three figures
they gave us.
(T) Yes, we're only asking about the U.S. How
about others? Yes, you're right, how about other military...
(J)
We have no way of knowing. Have they ever released figures? We
don't know.
(TK) So, the underground bases, the Secret
Government has a military right now, and it's not just a
military, these are elite. I'll bet you, they're elite. I mean,
they've been recruited.
(J) They've been asked the question, and
they said yes!
(T) Yes, this is not some guy hunking a gun in a
foxhole just for the heck of it. These are specialists.
(TK) The
CIA was siphoning people off in 'Nam right and left.
(J) Oh, I'm
sure they were.
(TK) This "New World Order" is about to come
about. You know what, there isn't any way to stop it. You can
fight back and try to survive on your own, but there's no way to
stop the New World Order.
(T) The only way to get through this
is the old Lao Tzu or whoever, the Chinese military philosopher,
who said "The wheat stalk that survives is the one that bends
with the wind."
(TK): "Yes, I'll do whatever you say."
(T)
There's no way to stop it. All these people who are talking
about going out and going to fight it, they aren't going to
fight it. They can't. They can't win.
(F) Well, they are already
being diverted.
(TK) On top of everything else, these are the
elite. I mean, these are the ones that have been recruited, and
they are the elite. Now, most military organizations are going
to fall right into this, because the government.... Admitted,
there's gong to be a lot of deserters from the military, I mean
there's some people, like, if I was in the m ilitary, and they
started rounding people up in the U.S., I'd say, "Sorry, this is
where I came in..."
(T) This is why this Koernke guy up in the
Michigan militia group has been talking about the foreign UN
troops, because the military, the government that's ready to
come into power, this one world government knows that you can't
subdue any country with their own troops.
(TK) It can't be done.
(T) That's why they're sending American troops to all these
other countries.
(F) And all the other countries are sending
troops here.
(J) Well, what about the guy who wouldn't put on
the U.N. uniform?
(T) Yes, that was mentioned in the paper again
today, in passing. This guy knew.
(TK) Well, really, the only
thing a person can do is like you were saying, go with the
flow... Basically, you've got to. Up to a point, at least.
(T)
It's easier to fight it by going with the flow than it is to
fight it by going against it.
(F) Who is going to stand up in
the line of fire and say "I refuse!" They'd blow him away...
(TK):
What, if anything, can be done about this "New World Order?"
A: Too complex to answer, need specific questions.
Q: (T) Also, right now, if you're considering survivalist
groups, you have to keep in mind, they're under attack right
now.
(TK) Oh, yeah, the government's after them.
(T) Between
Oklahoma and this thing with Amtrak out in Arizona, militias are
under heavy attack.
A: Being lead in to a trap.
Q: (L) I suspected that at one time. They're all being led into
a trap.
(T) Well, they've got guns right now...
(J) Maybe guns
aren't going to change anything...
A: Good intentions.
Q: (TK) Started off with good intentions... They've got to be
infiltrated, and it's been tainted at the very least.
(J) Maybe
it's the idea of putting all the ones together with the same
mind set so you know where they are.
(T) Their usefulness to the
One World Government people has come to an end. It brought the
conservative grouping into power in this country.
A: Not yet.
Q: (TK) Their usefulness isn't over yet, but...
(L) OK, in those
terms, what is the single most important thing that we as
individuals should focus on in order to prepare ourselves for
whatever events may occur?
A: No single thing.
Q: (TK) Is what Terry was saying earlier, like the thing... with
the reed bending and going with the flow, is that the idea?
A: Close. Watch, look, listen.
Q: (J) Got it, knowledge is power.
A: Alertness. Messengers are all around. Look, listen.
Q: (TK) Is it going to be necessary to stockpile supplies, or
anything along those lines?
A: Third density.
Q: (L) Are there any Civil War individuals involved in this
project, these underground tunnels or bases or whatever?
(T): KIA's of the Civil War?
A: A few.
Q: (L) I think the point is who they are. Now, in the Matrix
material, there's a section extracted from the L. Ron Hubbard
teachings that talks about technical abilities to jerk people's
souls out of their bodies, insert other souls, reprogram the
memories, essentially that there is no congruency...
A: False.
Q: (L) OK, so the jerking out and the manipulating of souls as
described by L. Ron Hubbard is false? In a general sense?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) OK, now, you said a moment ago that some of these bodies
were used as receptacles, soul receptacles. When you say soul
receptacles, do you mean soul receptacles for whom?
A: Replacements for dead bodies, i.e. duplicated.
Q: (L) So, in other words, they make replacements for dead
people and put their souls in a replacement body, so that they
can continue living on, is that it?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Do they ever use dead bodies and re-animate them and then
put other souls in them?
A: No. For example: a soldier is KIA (Killed In Action), his body is duplicated,
his soul is replaced into new body, then he is "reprogrammed for
service" to aliens and S.G. (Secret Government)
Q: (L) Where does the new body coming from?
A: It is duplicate of old body. TDARM.
Q: TDARM is Trans Dimensional Atomic ReMolecularization
(T)
Otherwise known in Star Trek as a 'Replicator'.
(TK) Does
somebody have to die in a certain way before they can do this?
A: No.
A: (TK): Is there a time limit on how long they can be dead?
A: No. Zero time.
Q: (T): Because there's no time...
(L) They use the frequency
vibration of the soul pattern, they take it into another
density, use their TDARM technology to cause a molecular
re-assembly; in other words, the atoms begin to whir and
assemble around it in the pattern that it had before, and then
it is a full-fledged body, and then they insert it back through
the time doorway into 3D again. Is that correct?
A: Close.
Q: (T): Are all these KIA's, are they dead KIA's, when they go,
that you were talking about? I mean, are they really dead?
(TK)
Were they dead when this was done?
A: ?
Q: (T): OK, you said... let's use Vietnam. You said there were
23,000 KIA's of the 60,000 that actually were not killed in
action. True? Yes?
A: Were killed, then reanimated.
Q: (L) We're not talking about physical bodies here, are we?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) OK, there are some that were killed in action
that the actual bodies were reanimated?
(J) As long as they
weren't blown up in a land mine, yeah.
(L) There were actually
bodies that were actually reanimated, is that correct?
A: Some, but most were duplicated.
Q: (L) Now this leads to the immediate question: Is there some
potentiality that is created by dying in a violent manner; i.e.,
in war, in an atmosphere of war, that makes one susceptible to
this particular type of activity, as opposed to just people
dying in an ordinary sense?
A: No.
Q: (T): No, because violent death like that, we have violent
death all the time without being in a war; car crashes, fires,
explosions...
A: War makes covert actions so easy.
Q: (T) Well, no, it's not like car crashes, the violent part of
it, I don't think has anything to do with it. It's just that the
cover of a war, is easier to take the bodies.
(TK) They're not
wanting people to realize ... They're not wanting to just take
them out of the graves, because if you did, it would be more
noticed.
(T) These are real bodies, they were dead. In other
words, the people were dead, they were taken, and reanimated,
or...
(L) Were some of these bodies taken, like dead bodies of
somebody who just died... were the bodies picked up, taken into
another density for this remolecularization patterning?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) OK, so they had to have an actual body for the pattern.
(T) Was the original body...
(TK) Did they actually get the
bodies before anybody actually...
(T) Before they were
recovered, yes. Were the original bodies returned once the
duplication was done?
A: More than one type of situation.
Q: (L) So, in other words, it could be sometimes, yeah, they
were, and sometimes, no, they weren't.
(J) It would be case by
case.
(T) Were some of these supposed "killed in action's"
actually not killed? Were they still alive when they were
removed?
A: All possibilities.
Q: (L) So this is in a sense a "crime of opportunity."
(J) It's
a supermarket of opportunities.
(T) Some were just taken by the
secret government when they were alive, some were dead and
brought back in new bodies to continue on, and they were
considered dead, but they're all considered dead.
A: Taken by aliens, not SG.
Secret Government aware to some
extent, but not in control of operation.
Q: (L) OK, now this brings up the question about... We were told
that there was, and this was... last week we asked about this
thing about the death... and we were told that there was an
impenetrable triple veil that prevents some of this "L.Ron
Hubbard"' type of activity, that he describes happening. How can
this be reconciled?
A: Time adjustment.
Q: (L) Does that mean that they know that they're going to, and
they go back in just before they die, or just at the moment of
death, or...???
A: Close.
Q: (T): Now, what are the aliens doing with these bodies? With
the humans that they replicate and duplicate and reanimate? What
are they doing with them?
A: Serve them. Workers.
Q: (T) They're slaves.
(L) Now, this leads me to a question that
I have thought about asking on many occasions. In terms of
finite numbers, how many of these STS aliens of any different
group, or any combination of groups all together, do we have
operating on this planet at the present time?
A: Specify.
Q: (L) OK, how many
Lizzies are operating on the planet?
A: 300,000.
Q: (L) OK, how many Oranges?
A: 62,530.
Q: (L) How many
grays?
A: 2,750,000.
Q: (L) This is not a pretty picture!
(J) No s**t.
(L) Are most
of these inhabiting alternate dimensions or densities most of
the time? I mean, it would be kind of crowded otherwise!
A: Back and forth. And others.
Q: (L) We have here some drawings of supposed alien servants.
This one right here is called a Rigelian servant. It's a proto-synthezoid,
in other words, a cyber-genetic. Is this an accurate
representation of this being, and does this being actually
exist? Figure 1
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Well, that's friendly. Now, this one here...
(T) Oh,
lightning bolt man!.
(L) Does this one actually exist? This
mutative clone form? (Figure 2)
A: Yes.
(Figure 2)
Q: (L) OK, now this one is a real pleasant looking fellow...
(Figure 3)
A: Yes. Occupies
Dulce base.
Q: (L) (Reading) "This is a cloned synthezoid form," in other
words a cybergenetic, "whose specific job is to act as
controllers. They are plus or minus four feet tall." This is, I
think, your standard gray. It's just that the drawing is kind of
crappy- looking.
(T) Wait, the face... the eyes are smaller on
the thing but the face is a lot like the one in the Autopsy
film. OK, now, this is what they call a replica. (Reading) "They
are proto-synthezoid form of human whose specific job is as a
special outside agent. Observation: Face and body change shape
at will." This is like in the X-File thing where the guy... the
shape changer. Is this a correct concept? Is this basically a...
I mean of course you have to draw them in an ambiguous way...
(Figure 4}
A: Close.
Q: (L) OK, these are the servants from Zeta Reticuli One... this
is another version of the one. I would also assume that these
are the servants at the Dulce base? (Figure 5)
A: No.
(Figure 5)
Q: (L) What are these guys?
A: Floaters.
Q: (L) OK, these are floaters.
(T) Floaters? As in how floaters?
(L) I would say it was like somebody in a job...
(TK) Trouble
shooters, they go from place to place...
(L) OK, these are real
friendly looking. .. I love these guys! The THROOB!
(T) Are
these the little short stubby blues that Whitley was into...
(L)
Plus or minus four feet tall... Yeah, I think so. It says here
"They are originally from the Draco Constellation and their job
is to complete research. They are plus or minus four feet tall.
Are these accurately represented here, both in terms and
drawing? (Figure 6)
A: Yes.
(Figure 6)
Q: (T): Are these the ones that Whitley Strieber has
seen?
A: Maybe.
Q: (L) OK, now, the degenerative clone form, which is the bottom
photograph, is this also an accurate representation? (Figure 7)
A: Close.
Q: (L) What is the color of the skin of these friendly- looking
little guys?
A: Variable.
Q: (L) OK, I think there may be one more... Ha, ha! Are you guys
ready for this one? This is a Cassiopaean!
(T) Well, I don't
think that's a Cassiopaean!
(J) Let me see... Oh, lovely!
(T) Cassiopaea, I couldn't find a star called Cassiopaea...
(L)
There isn't.
(T) Well, I know that.
(L) OK, this is one called a
race of insectoids from Cassiopaea, whose specific job is
genetic research. Is this an accurate description and drawing of
this critter? (Figure 8 )
A: Yes.
Q: (T): Is Cassiopaea a star?
(L) No.
(T) What is Cassiopaea?
(L) It's a constellation.
(T) I know it's a constellation, but
they say they're from Cassiopaea. You can't be from Cassiopaea...
A: Region.
Q: (L) Are these guys coming here?
A: All are already.
Q: (L) OK, hang on...
(T): What about the one below? What's the
one below?
(L) Well, that's just a biological android. "The
Nordics and Oranges normally use inorganic, high-tech servants."
Is this an accurate representation of an inorganic, high-tech...
(Figure 9)
A: Yes.
Q: (T): What are all the hieroglyphics?
(L) It's supposed to be
one of their alien languages. What does this business say here?
A: Scrambled.
Q: (L) It's scrambled. So it's a combination of the various
different languages they have back there.
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Somebody just put the various different symbols together,
because it looks like two or three different languages. OK,
well, that answered those questions.
(TK) Doesn't seem to me
like there's too much to worry about...
(T) It's all supposed to
be fun!
(TK) Seems to me it's something you've got to take as it
comes, and deal with it!
A: Yes.
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Q: (TK) Are we asking all the wrong
questions here?
A: There are no such.
Q: (TK) But what can... are there questions you can ask, and
answers you can get that will make a difference one way or the
other?
A: Ask. Suggest more questions about the goings on at underground
facilities. Jan and Terry were visitors involuntary when went to
Albuquerque and Las Vegas!
Q: (J) Oh, really!
(T) We were in a front door of an underground
base. We were in Carlsbad Caverns, and I know that there's a
government facility at the other end of it, and they won't talk
about it. You're talking about Carlsbad?
A: Abducted.
Q: (T): When we were in Albuquerque?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) When we were in Las Vegas, also?
A: Met alien there. Barfly.
Q: (T): Ohhhhh...
(J) I know exactly what you are talking about.
A: Disguised humanoid gray species four. Rigelian. Orion union
STS.
Q: (T) Why did he talk to us? Why did he approach us?
A: Spying on you and aural frequency reading, had you not been
as strong, would have suffered permanent abduction because of
your studies
Q: (L) What is there about strength that makes one inaccessible
to permanent abduction?
A: Strength is of character, i.e. if
STO candidate, not likely
to be victim.
Q: (L) Not likely to be victim... OK, but what.... but what is
the thing inside one that stops them... I mean, is this
something that is a core ingredient of certain human beings? Is
this like something inside them that blocks this manipulation
and victimization?
A: Soul pattern.
Q: (L) So in other words, there is something about us, or within
us, that literally they cannot touch or harm, is that correct?
A: Basically, but difficult to facilitate.
Q: (L) OK, in other words, this is something that is in us, that
creates an inherent barrier, but not necessarily something that
we can, at this level of density, reach in, grab out as a
weapon, and wave around, as in facilitate?
A: Can, but intricate to do consciously.
Q: (L) Is this a state of focused awareness, whole body
awareness, internal and external, basically whole body
awareness...
A: Helpful.
Q: (L) Is there something we can do to develop this to the
highest degree possible, while in these bodies, in this density?
A: Wait for 4.
Q: (L) Wait for 4? 4th density?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) It's a "do", it's an involuntary, it's there, it works
when it needs to work. Is this the idea?
A: Network western experiences for learning purposes please.
Knowledge is protection.
[Briefly, Terry related the story where he and Jan met the
barfly at Vegas World, after having gone downtown to get their
marriage license. They had taken a taxi to City Hall, and
foolishly decided to walk back to the Strip, in 116 degree
weather. They made it as far south as Vegas World, and stopped
at the bar inside to cool off. Jan was close to heat
prostration, and the barmaid gave her glasses of iced water and
an iced towel to put on her neck.
They were getting ready to go
back out and hail a cab back to Bally's, when they were
approached by the "Barfly," who started asking all sorts of
personal questions, and seemed to be acting drunk when he wasn't
really intoxicated. He became belligerent when Terry refused to
show him his Florida drivers license, but switched to
disorientation when Terry made the statement "We don't have a
problem here, do we?!" While staring the guy down and putting
the force of his personality behind the question/statement.]
Q: (L) In this story that Terry has just recounted, what instant
represents the turning point of resistance?
A: The statement.
Q: (T) "We don't have a problem, here, do we?! Everything's
cool, everything's OK! I'll buy you a beer?"
A: Yes.
Q: (T): Because that's when he got confused... He was escalating
this to a point, and I don't know, it just came to me that the
best way to do this was to just stop it right there...
A: Grays and their associates are thrown off by energy flow
diversions or thought pattern interruptions.
Q: (T) Another thing that comes to mind while I'm thinking about
it, before it turned ugly, he was leading up to going someplace.
He was leading up toward, "We ought to get together and go
someplace." I think that's when I really shut the whole thing
off.
(L) OK, now, in this episode where Terry and Jan were taken
to an underground base, can you identify the location of the
underground facility?
A: Socorro, NM
Q: (L) OK, what was done to them when they were in this
underground facility?
A: Quick exam.
Q: (T) Which of the nights in Albuquerque was it we were taken?
A: Second.
Q: (T) We got there Friday afternoon, that would have been
Saturday...
(L) Who was in charge of this base, this facility?
What group?
A: Orion union STS.
Q: (T) Did we get taken to the base because we happened to be
close by at the time when they grabbed us? Was it an opportunity
for them?
A: Close.
Q: (T) Did they know we were coming out there?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) Why did they follow up with a spy afterwards?
A: Test.
Q: (T) You mean that what they were looking at was to see
whether we were
STS or STO?
A: Partly.
Q: (L) And if they had been permanently abducted at that point
in time, what would have happened to them?
A: Body part utilization.
Q: (TK) Basically, what that means is that you wouldn't have
been any good to them as a person, but the parts would have been
all right.
(L) I do have an idea about that. Is this what
Michael Topper was writing about in his article where he talks
about the "obedience factor" of the STS? If they can get you to
obey something, you have given your permission?
A: Close.
So, that was a lot of information to
digest at one time. But, we came back to it again briefly not long
after.
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Q: (L) The other night, when we were
talking about the underground laboratories and the taking of the
MIA (Missing in Action) and KIA (Killed
in Action) individuals from W.W.II, that would seem to imply
that the underground tunnel system and the alien activity has
been going on there has been going on a lot longer than since
1947, is this correct?
A: Yes, but in much less intensive form.
Q: (L) OK, it's gotten a lot more intensive since 1947 or
thereabouts. Well, the thing that I want to know: is there any
relationship between these underground laboratories and
facilities and our cultural concept of Hell
A: Not in such a simplistic sense.
Q: (L) Well, I'm just curious as to whether the concept of Hell
being underground, where people were tortured and worked on and
all kinds of miseries going on arose from some people who
escaped from, or psychically intuited...
A: Link, but not unified.
Q: (L) Is there a Hell?
Q: (L) What I want to know, is this tunnel that's under the
house, which you have said is straight down under my house, is
it a tunnel... is there like a laboratory under the house, or is
it just a tunnel that's used for traveling from one facility to
another?
A: Closer to latter.
Q: (L) Does the tunnel under my house go to Anclote base?
A: The base at Anclote is a Portal.
Q: (L) One of the abductees I worked with gave some interesting
information under hypnosis. I suggested to here that she could
travel a mind link to read the minds of the aliens, and ask
them, or inquire of them what the purpose of the implants were,
the response she got was that it was like connecting a bunch of
speakers, and once all the speakers were connected, then the
stereo was turned on. What does this mean?
A: Unit group mind. Activation.
Q: (L) So what will happen when they, as she said, turn on the
stereo?
A: Wait ands See.
Q: (L) Well, earlier today I was thinking to myself that they
way I feel right now must be very similar to the way animals in
the forest feel on the opening day of hunting season. I mean,
it's like every so many thousands of years, it's hunting season
on planet Earth.
A: You are aware, 2nd density is not.
Q: (L) Is it still, in a sense, like hunting season? Are they
just here... I mean, according to this Matrix material, they
plan on decimating our entire planet, either with disease, or
taking over their bodies...
A: Some is disinformation.
It was about six months before we came
back to the subject, and again, my brother was a guest. And, again,
the information was startling. We had another guest, a friend who
had spent some time in Army Intelligence many years prior to this
time. I have to say in advance here, that my level of "acceptance"
of incredible material was stretched to the limit in both the
previous session and this one that follows!
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Q: (L) One of the things we talked
about the last time Tom was here was the underground base issue
and military interference in civilian affairs and civilian
interface with military affairs. One of the questions we were
dealing with was the use of warfare to create situations in
which bodies could be taken...
A: Warfare has many "uses."
Q: (L) Could you list for us some of the most common uses of
warfare?
A: Generation of environment to facilitate inconspicuous
replacement of gene pool. Factors in paradigm shift through
stimulation of conception activity, replacement of key personnel
according to frequency vibration pre-readings...
Q: (L) 'Replacement of key personnel according to frequency
vibration pre-readings...' Okay: do you mean to say that war...
A: Creates "environment" for unnoticed genetic modifications
because of greatly heightened exchange of both physical and
ethereal factors.
Q: (L) What do you mean by "replacement of key personnel?" Key
personnel according to whose definition?
A: 4th density STS.
Q: (L) Are these key personnel human?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) When you say replacement, do you mean something as simple
as someone dying, such as a head of state, and being replaced by
another person who comes to power? That would be the simplest
scenario that would fit this explanation.
A: Your scenario is not simple.
Q: (L) I mean simple in terms of the machinations...
A: Both.
Q: (L) Would it also be that key personnel could also be
replaced as in duplication as you have described previously?
A: Yes. And removing to secret activity realm. Enough wars have
taken place to effectively create entire new "underground race"
of humans, both from direct capture followed by "reeducation,"
and spawning activity using these persons and others.
Q: (L) What do you mean by spawning activity?
A: Those captured have reproduced offspring, these never having
seen your world.
Q: (L) Are you saying...
(TK) They have given birth and these
children have never seen our world...
(L) How can an entire race
of people, or groups of people, live under the surface of this
planet, without the whole 6 billion of the rest of us on top, or
at least a large number, realizing that there is anything going
on? This is so wild an idea...
A: No. How much space exists underground, as opposed to that on
the surface?
Q: (L) A lot, I suppose. You aren't saying that
the earth is
hollow, are you?
A: No, not exactly.
Q: (L) Well, how deep is the deepest of these underground
cities?
A: 3,108 miles.
Q: (L) That's pretty deep! But wouldn't it be too hot at that
depth?
A: No. Temperature averages 68 degrees F.
Q: (TK) That's pretty comfortable!
(L) How do they have light?
A: Magnetic resonance.
Q: (L) Well, aren't they subject to being crushed by
earthquakes?
A: No, earthquakes are not felt deep underground!!
Q: (TK) Is any of this under the ocean?
A: Yes.
Q: (TK) Well, we'll never explore all of what is under the
ocean.
(L) It just staggers the mind to think about it. What do
they want these people for?
A: To replace you.
Q: (TK) And why? Because they can control them better. Right?
A: Completely.
Q: (L) Do these people being bred and raised in these
underground cities have souls?
A: Yes, most.
Q: (TK) Are they just like us only raised differently?
A: More complicated than that.
Q: (L) How long have they been doing this?
A: 14,000 years, approximately.
Q: (L) If they have been doing it that long, obviously the ones
they have taken at the beginning have croaked and are of no use
to replace anybody on the earth unless they have been replacing
people from time to time for various reasons...
A: No, their technology makes yours look like Neanderthal by
comparison! Hibernation tubes... One heartbeat per hour, for
example.
Q: (TH) That means that for every year we live, they would live
4200 years...
(L) Does any of this have anything to do with that
crazy
pit at Oak Island where you have said a Remolecularizer is
buried?
A: In an offhand way.
Q: (L) How do we fit into all of this?
(TK) We don't!
A: You have been the "preparation committee."
Q: (L) What have we been doing? Is it part of the plan for us to
destroy the planet, destroy the ozone layer, pollute the seas
and so forth to make it more habitable for them?
A: Those things are inconsequential and easily repaired.
Q: (TK) With their technology, they can fix all of that.
(L)
This is really horrible, you know! To think of all this...
(TK)
Apparently, from what I am understanding, they can't just come
in and wipe us out and replace us, because the 'rules' won't
allow it.
A: Yet the natural cycles within the framework of the natural
order of things will allow all these things to fall into place.
Q: (L) Is there some law within the realm of these beings, sort
of like the law of gravity, that prevents them from just coming
in and taking over?
A: No.
Q: (TK) I don't think it is like the law of gravity...
A: What "law" is there that inhibits you from manipulating 2nd
density beings at will?!?
Q: (L) Well, I don't go out and deliberately hurt or manipulate
anything or anybody.
(TK) Of course, in our handling of these
'critters,' we are conserving them in some ways so that we will
have an ongoing food supply... I think there are rules to the
game. It's like a chess game. They can't just come in and change
things, it has to progress in some way. But, there are loopholes
and they can sneak in and manipulate and get away with some
things...
(TH) Then, there aren't rules - there are just
guidelines.
A: Two important points there: 1) When we said "you," we meant
3rd density collectively. 2) You missed our statement about the
natural cycle and order of things almost completely. We suggest
you reread and ponder... Also, what if your race is manipulated
to destroy yourselves, or, just hang around until the next
natural cataclysm?
Q: (TK) Well, it seems like there is another side that is trying
to prevent them from gaining control.
(L) Well, from what I
understand, the only thing the good guys are able to do is,
because of free will, they have to wait to be asked for help,
and the only they thing they can really do is give information.
(F) Well, this is valuable if used by the right people at the
right time.
(TK) You have to come up with the right questions,
too. You have to have enough information to be able to come up
with the right questions. I am sure the information is there.
You have one group with all these people underground and they
want to take over the planet. This group likes being 4th density
- they don't want to advance. They want to block advancement.
Then, you have the group that want to advance, they want the
natural order to proceed. This negative group wants to stay
there and keep everyone they can there.
(L) And because they
deplete themselves and diminish in numbers, they keep having to
supply their needs and existence.
(TK) If, by some odd chance,
the earth is the only place where people come to advance, then
sooner or later it is going to stop, if these other guys take
over, then it will just stop... implode.
(TH) I know! The earth
is a 4th density theme park!
(L) We already thought of that...
we all have an 'E' ticket ride! Is what I am saying close to the
truth?
A: Yes. Total truth is elusive.
Q: (TK) So, what I said was the gist of what is going on here.
So, we have to figure out what we are supposed to do so that the
earth can be maintained...
A: You will do what you will do.
Q: (TK) This is true.
A: Do you, in general, control 2nd density beings on earth?
Q: (L) Yes.
A: So, what is "fair" about that?
Q: (L) Nothing.
A: Okay, so what is the difference?!?!???
Q: (TK) So, basically, we control 2nd density, and 4th density
controls us. There are the good guys and bad guys.
(L) And we
will do what we will do. Either we choose to align ourselves
with the good guys, or with the bad guys.
A: It's up to you.
Q: (TK) However, if too many people align themselves with the
bad guys, then the balance tips in their favor, and there is no
more advancement, so there has to be education so that people
will know...
A: Tom, you are close, but you are missing the point.
Q: (L) What is the point?
A: The point is, there "has to be" nothing. You will do what you
will do. You choose. We have told you this repeatedly, but you
still suffer from self-centered perspective.
Q: (TK) Everybody is worried about themselves. They all want to
be saved and not worry about others.
A: More to the point, everybody in an STS realm views themselves
as somehow "special, chosen, or protected." This is simply not
so!!
Q: (TK) What is going to happen, is going to happen. The
people...
A: The body does not matter. It is the soul that either
progresses or digresses!
Q: (L) So, in other words, we could just sit around and live our
lives and have a good time and not worry about a damn thing.
It's our choices?
A: Yes.
Q: (TK) The point is it's going to happen...
A: But, nobody is there to intervene on your behalf as many
would like to believe.
Q: (L) So, we are here on this planet, and we will either make
it or we won't, just like Dorothy and Toto in Oz, based on our
own ability to figure it out, to overcome the odds, the witch,
monkeys and soldiers...
(TK) Maybe what they are trying to do is
give people the information, or make the information available
so that people can make the choice, do they want to stay...
A: We are not "trying" to do anything. We are here to answer
questions if asked. We cannot interfere.
Q: (TK) Yes, the non-interference idea is pretty clear and
understandable. So, they cannot interfere...
A: And, even when we answer, you may not believe, it is up to
you!
Q: (L) So, we are really on our own!
A: You always have been, and so have we, and all others, too!!
Q: (TK) I guess then, it is a matter of asking the right
questions so that you will know what course of action to take. I
mean, do you want to advance? Do you want to go to 4th density?
Or do you want to go higher? Or do you want to stay here? How
can you make an informed choice if you don't know the true
conditions and what your options are?
(L) Is it that the
religions that have been generated and foisted on the human
race, have been designed to give people a feeling of complacency
or faith in something outside themselves, and that this prevents
them from seeking knowledge, opening their eyes, facing the
facts of their existence, and therefore keeps them in bondage?
A: It's just obstacles, as always. You employ those too, for
your 2nd density friends!!
Q: (TK) What state of mind do you have to have to want to
advance?
(F) Well, you know you are on the path when you can see
that the words don't match the facts of life. Think of all the
people you have met with whom you may have had a philosophical
conversation. How many will say: Oh, all I need is the Bible.
That's all I pay any attention to.
(TK) I don't have many
philosophical conversations with people because I rarely agree
with anything that is said.
(F) Well, you must have decided on
this because you tried it and found it didn't work.
(TK) I have
a real problem... yes, the Bible has been around for a long
time, and religion has been around for a long time... but I have
a real problem believing something that is so obviously produced
by humans with agendas of their own!
(F) But most people that
you tell that to will say: Oh, no! People didn't write the
Bible, God did! Or, they could be a complete atheist and believe
only in the religion of science.
(TK) I believe that a person is
supposed to live by rules and treat people with respect and
honor life... and some of the ideas of religion are good... but
they just go over the edge.
(F) That is how they suck people in.
Mix lies with the truth.
(L) Yes, a lie sandwiched between two
truths makes it easier to swallow.
(F) Yes, if it was ALL false,
the vast majority of people would have figured it out
immediately. Or, very quickly.
(TK) The vast majority don't
care. They just want to be led like sheep. They don't want any
responsibility.
(F) And what happens to the vast majority of
cattle? They munch away in their pasture until time to get in
the truck to go to the butcher.
(TK) Well, after all my years in
the military, I have gotten to the point that I just don't trust
anybody with authority.
(F) And, if you talk to the religious
types, they will say: Oh, I don't have any answers... I just
follow the Bible.
(L) Not only do they not have any answers,
they don't have any questions, either. And, I think that is the
clue. The people who are still asking questions after wading
through all the religions and mystical mumbo-jumbo. The ones who
think they have found the ultimate answer are - well - lunch!
(TK)
The whole purpose of life, it seems to me, is to obtain
knowledge and advance. You are stuck on this level until you
figure it out. But what are you supposed to figure out?
(L) I
think that the knowing is the doing.
(TH) "Ye shall know the
truth and the truth shall set you free." It's in the Bible!!!
(L) Is the knowing the key?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) I think that knowing changes your frequency. Is that
true?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) The acknowledging and the seeing?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) What did they tell us once... it's not where you are, but
who you are and what you see that counts.
(TK) So, we aren't
gonna change what happens. There is no way we can have any
appreciable effect on the underground armies... it is just a
matter of changing ourselves and whoever else we can share with.
A: Correct, the cow has no effect on the health of the livestock
industry...
Q: (TK) The cow has no effect on the herd. One cow doesn't... or
even a lot of cows.
(F) But there might be one or two cows that
follow one that breaks out of the herd.
(TK) Yes, you might be
able to affect somebody else's life, but not the whole group.
So, worrying about the underground stuff, is immaterial.
(L)
But, knowing about it is.
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This next extract is
interesting because the guest present was an abductee/hypnosis
client. This woman was, in fact, my "first" abduction case as
described in "Amazing Grace." At the time, as described, I was VERY
skeptical of UFO/Alien possibilities. During the session, as it
turned out, numerous flying black boomerangs were sighted in my
area, including one that must have been right over my house.
After the session in question, P never scheduled another. She was so
skeptical herself, even after hearing herself describe something
anomalous on video tape.
Several years went by, and I had lost complete touch with her until
one day I wanted to have some booklets copied and I stopped in a
local print shop that I had often patronized. I was completely
surprised to learn that P had recently purchased the business! We
renewed our acquaintance and, since the booklets I wanted copied had
to do with "alien" issues, we began to discuss it again. It was at
this point that she revealed that her husband, who she had only
previously described as "retired," was a physicist who had been
employed by the U.S. Government. P, herself, had been employed by
the government as well and claimed to have had a security clearance
of some sort.
After bringing her up to speed as to the events of our lives after
the fateful night she was under hypnosis in my house, she asked to
attend a session and the following is the result.
Q: (L) Now, with all of us here, we
would like to ask why the black, flying boomerangs showed up on
the night P first came for hypnosis? The first thing we thought
about it was that this was a, if not necessarily rare, at least
rarely observed type of craft, and the event itself was rare...
is this correct?
A: It is rare.
Q: (L) If it is rare for it to occur in response to a hypnosis
session, which person were the UFO's particularly interested in?
A: It was not a person, but information that is hidden in the
subconscious memory of P. To monitor what would be revealed.
Q: (L) They wanted to see if anything would be revealed about
their abductions of her?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Okay, since she is here, can we ask who abducted her?
A: Grays.
Q: (L) How many times has she been abducted?
A: 4. Snow scene was only 3rd density abduction. Abduction which
occurred there was strictly physical.
Q: (L) Okay, the abduction that occurred in the snow was a
physical abduction. Perhaps the others were not.
A: The others were 4th density. 3rd density abduction only
occurs rarely, and is of great import.
Q: (P) Was my son, who was accompanying me, also abducted?
A: Frozen.
Q: (L) Why did they want Pat so bad that they would take her
physically?
A: Do you have any ideas?
Q: (L) Yes, I have ideas. Maybe Pat has ideas and knowledge that
she could access that would expose these beings?
A: But real reason is more fundamental. Government proximities!
Q: (L) Oh! Someone was telling me earlier that people who are
connected to someone working for the government tend to be
abducted more. But, just because P was married to a scientist
who worked at JPL doesn't mean she knew anything. Does she know
something?
A: Not what she knew. Because of proximity to Consortium
activity. Implanted for possible future activation.
Q: (P) Was this related to what was going on under the mountain?
A: Not locator, personnel are factored.
Q: (L) Okay, it is not where you were so much as who you were in
contact with.
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Was it her husband?
A: Perhaps.
Q: (L) Maybe that is why there is a higher rate of abduction
among family members of government employees, so that they can
be activated or controlled?
(P) But my husband wasn't really
working on anything secret.
A: He had access to sensitive facilities.
Q: (L) Did he have a security clearance or was he friends with
others who did?
(P) I had a security clearance.
(L) So, P had an
implant put in. An actual, physical implant. Where is it?
A: Behind sinus cavity.
Q: (L) What is this implant designed to do?
A: Activate behavioral control reflex and thought pattern
generation and alteration.
Q: (P) Is that why I can't remember anything?
A: Some.
Q: (L) So, can I say that this UFO appeared over my house on the
night P was under hypnosis, to reinforce the implant so that she
would not be able...
A: To monitor.
Q: (L) If P had revealed the details of her abduction, would
there have been any repercussions?
A: Not in this case.
Q: (L) So, if P had gone to anyone for hypnosis, these craft
would have appeared?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) You have already told us that this is extremely rare.
What else was unusual?
(P) Does this have anything to do with
Camp David?
A: Not the issue, its personnel!
Q: (L) Was it that she knew someone or interacted with someone
in particular?
A: Many others!
Q: (P) Do the planes have anything to do with it?
A: It is up to P, the extent she wishes to retrieve and divulge,
the many unusual experiences that were met, by P, with unusual
indifference.
Q: (P) The first thing unusual was the geographic location of
our house. Directly West of us was the mountain that housed all
the communications to be used in the event of nuclear war. We
were 13 miles North of Camp David. And, while we lived there,
many, many things took place at Camp David that were of global
significance. And, we built a barn in 1982 and had bought the
house in 1976, and never, in all the years that I lived there,
did I ever notice these planes until we built the barn. If I had
a stick in my hand, I could have touched them, that's how low
they flew. Right over my barn. The same day every week. And
there was always two of them, and they never had a single
marking on them. And, they were propeller planes. And I
wondered: what in the hell is this country doing flying planes,
unmarked, propeller driven, and so low, over this area? This
continued until we moved from that house. So, these planes came
twice a week from 1982 until 1989.
(L) What were these planes?
Well, after the first couple of times, I sort of just said:
"Well, there are the planes." So, what else is new?
A: Indifference.
Q: (P) I thought the planes had something to do with the
mountain. Did they?
A: Maybe.
Q: (P) We knew they were flying under radar. Now, that I am
thinking about this, nobody else ever talked about these planes.
It was like we were the only people that ever saw them, or
people who were at our house saw them too. My best friend who
lived right up the road never saw them. I asked her: "Did you
see the planes?" and she said "What planes?" I mean, she was
seven acres away and nothing in between!
A: Unusual experiences mount!
Q: (P) V also noticed these things and he would always say - he
was less indifferent than I was - he would say: "what in the
hell are those planes and what are they doing?" Well, it didn't
affect MY life, except that I was damn mad that it upset my
horses. But then, the horses got used to them too, and they
became indifferent! [laughter] Well, they came so often, twice a
week - "it's Wednesday, the planes will be here!"
A: More... continue probing...
Q: (P) The planes came from East to West, and in the West was
the mountain...
A: Catoctin.
Q: (P) That is the name of the mountain. The tunnel where all
these facilities were... under Catoctin Mountain. Camp David is
near, too.
A: And MUCH ELSE!
Mount Weather, Virginia. And why did you live
in area... helicopters?
Q: (P) Is it because of Fort Detrick?
A: What brought you to Maryland?
Q: (P) Fort Detrick.
(L) What does Mount Weather mean?
(P) The
underground tunnel - everybody in town called it The Tunnel -
but there was nothing around there to ever give anybody the
slightest clue as to what it was. In fact, I lived there for
quite a long time before I knew it existed. And, on top of the
mountain there was a weather station...
(P) V was doing electron
microscopy - cancer research.
A: REALLY?
Q: (P) It was a photographic lab.
A: Helicopters, Pat? We are asking you!
Q: (P) Well, the helicopters in Frederick went over our house
every time the president was at Camp David. But, that was our
house in Walkersville not in Emmetsburg. When we first moved to
Maryland. Sometimes the helicopters were unmarked...
A: You see, P is resistant due to experiences, things don't
"phase" her easily, programming, etc.
Q: (L) So, all of these things happening around her, the planes,
the mountain, the helicopters...
(P) But the helicopters, I knew
it was the President either going to or coming from Camp David.
A: Resistant, not resisting.
Q: (L) Is the term "resistant" a clue?
A: All is a clue here!
Q: (L) Since P has only been abducted 4 times, can this mean
that she is resistant to that?
A: No.
Q: (P) Isn't that just my personality, that if it doesn't affect
me I don't bother with it?
A: Yes.
Q: (P) I don't get bothered about things that...
A: Shoot somebody in front of P, and she says: "Oh well, that's
life" so, to discover spectacular things, one must be patient
and probe carefully, no hasty assumptions, please!! There is to
be retrieved, revealed, studied.
Q: (P) Well, the helicopters went back and forth to Camp David.
The President was supposed to be in them. And his entourage.
There was only 3 helicopters.
(L) Are these the helicopters
referred to?
A: No. Let P digest it, and report back later.
Q: (L) At the time we had all those sightings around here on the
night we did that session with P, why did so many other people
see them?
A: Window was "blasted."
Q: (P) I would like to know about the apparitions of the Virgin
Mary at Conyers, GA, as well as this book "Mary's Message to the
World" and all the other messages about the End Times that are
coming out all over?
A: The forces at work here are far too clever to be accurately
anticipated so easily. You never know what twists and turns will
follow, and they are aware of prophetic and philosophical
patternings and usually shift course to fool and discourage
those who believe in fixed futures.
Well, needless to say, this whole
session REALLY spooked P!
About a year later, the subject of underground bases came up again
in a slightly different context.
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