Introduction
John Lear, retired airline captain, with over 19,000 hours of
flight-time, has flown in over 100 different types of planes in 60
different counties around the world.
Son of Lear Jet inventor, Bill Lear, John is the only pilot to hold
every FAA airplane certificate, to include airplane transport
rating, flight instructor, ground instructor, flight navigator,
engineer, aircraft dispatcher, airframe powerplant mechanic,
parachute rigger, and tower operator.
He flew secret missions for the CIA in Central and Southeast Asia,
Eastern Europe, the Middle East and Africa between 1966 and 1983. He
has flown as Captain and check pilot for over 10 different airlines.
John held 17 world records including speed around the world in a
Lear Jet Model 24, set in 1966. He was presented with the PATCO
award for outstanding airmanship in 1968, and the Symons Wave
memorial. He was the youngest American to climb the Matterhorn in
Switzerland in 1959 and in the 1970's owned and skippered the
Americas Cup boat, the Soliloquy, out of Marina Del Rey.
In 1968, John raced a Douglas B26 Invader in the unlimited class at
the Reno air races.
He was a Senior Vice Commander of the China Post 1, the American
Legion Post for Soldiers of Fortune. He is a 20 year member of the
special operations Association.
John is the current owner and operator of the only permitted gold
mine operation Cutthroat Mining Corporation in Clarke County,
Nevada. His efforts to clean up the Treasure Hawk Gold Butte mine
won him the state of Nevada award for excellence in mining
reclamation in 1999. John is a MSHA (Mine, Safety, and Health
Administration) and holds a blaster license from the Nevada
certified mining instructor from the Nevada State Fire Marshall.
John's passion for the preservation and documentation of the history
of the Gold Butte has made him a authority on the area.
John has been a resident of Las Vegas since 1994 and was a
republican State Senate candidate in 1980.
John has 4 daughters, 2 grandchildren, and lives with his wife in
Las Vegas. - Las Vegas businesswoman, Mary Lee Lear in Sunrise
Manor.
In 1988, John met and became friends with Bob Lazar, the government
scientist who worked on the back-engineering of the propulsion
system of the extraterrestrial UFOs at area S-4. That's just outside
the infamous and ultrasecret
Area 51.
In March 1989, Lazar took John to an area close to Rachel Nevada
where he witnessed the flight of a flying saucer at the exact time
Lazar told him it would occur.
Two weeks later on another UFO spying mission, John, Lazar and 3
others were caught by security forces - (that's CAUGHT folks) - and
the next day, - the very next day - Lazar lost his job at the
government program for that breach of security. Lazar has been
branded by many as a fraud, a charge to which John responds,
"Those
who say that Lazar was a fraud simply don't know the facts of this
incredible 12 month period. I was there - they weren't."
During the late 1980's, John tracked down and found the Army
Intelligence Analyst who read, probably by accident, the U.S.
government report Grudge 13, which documented the history of the
U.S. UFO coverup and details of saucer recoveries, disposition of
their occupants, and handling (That's HANDLING) of civilian
witnesses.
The report included clear photographs of these recovered
extraterrestrial craft and beings - (that's BEINGS) found inside. It
further detailed how recoveries were made worldwide and specially
designed transports to accommodate the craft.
John spent time poking around other UFO related areas to include
Dulce, Secora, Aztec, Alamagorda, Albuquerque, Los Alamos and
Bentwaters airbase near London.
Since that time, John has learned many incredible and interesting
facts about the solar system and planets including the existence of
huge structures, arches, bridges and domes on the moon,
cities on
Mars, huge extraterrestrial ships mining the rings of Saturn, the
incredible but secret agenda of Apollo 17, to the huge rectangular
opening in the south massif of the Taurus-Littrow Highlands called
Nansen (fig. below).
NASA Photo ID: AS17-137-21011 File Name: 10075963.jpg
Film Type: 70mm Date Taken: 12/12/72 Title: View of lunarscape at Station 4 with Astronaut Schmitt
working at LRV
Description: A view of the lunarscape at Station 4 (Shorty Crater)
showing Scientist-Astronaut Harrison H. Schmitt working at the lunar roving
vehicle (LRV) during the second
Apollo 17 extravehicular activity (EVA-2) at
the Taurus-Littrow landing site. (Lunar landing site: 20.2 N, 30.8 E )
This is the area where Schmitt first spotted the orange soil.
Orange soil is clearly visible on either side of the rover in
this picture. Shorty Crater is to the right. The peak in the center background is Family Mountain. A portion of South Massif
is on the horizon at the left edge. (Apollo 17 samples)
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The Valley of Taurus-Littrow
The image below (fig.1) is a portion of Pan Camera frame AS17-2309
showing the South Massif at the upper right and the Sculptured Hills
at the lower left. The North Massif is at the bottom right and Henry
Crater is the rightmost of the three large craters in a triangular
pattern at the foot of the mountain.
This orientation is to
facilitate comparison with features in the Station 6 high resolution
images below. See also the labeled version (fig.2) of this frame. The
distance from Station 6 above Henry to the LM is 3.5 km; to Bear
Mountain, about 8 km; and to the outcrop noted in 21498 below, about
18 km. Scans by Ron Wells.
Apollo 17 Pan Camera frame AS17-2309 Details
The frame was taken on December 11, 1972 at 23:47:38.1 GMT during
CSM Rev 15 from an altitude of 113.07 km. In terms of the mission
time, the photo was taken at 116:54:38 -- just seven minutes before
Gene and Jack started their watches for the first EVA. John Pfannerstill has scanned three portions of the frame.
In the central area around the LM, the largest crater is Camelot at
the upper left. A labeled version highlights the LM and Poppie. In
the area north of the LM, covering the EVA-3 traverse, Henry is the
large crater at the foot of the North Massif just above and to the
right of the center of the image.
In the area west of the LM,
covering the EVA-2 traverse, Nansen is at the lower left, Camelot is
at the right edge above center, and Shorty is the sharp-rimmed,
dark-edged crater at top center, about a Camelot diameter below the
top edge of the image. Composite Version (fig.3)
fig.1
fig.2
fig.3
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Art Bell continues John Lear's
biography
John Lear suspects that Venus does not have the sulfuric acid
atmosphere with an 800 degree temperature that we've all been led to
believe and instead is a planet very similar to ours, but with a
similar, but much more technologically advanced civilization.
John Lear believes that the government has very good reasons for
their continued coverup but refuses to discuss them.
He also believes that the government never, ever intends to released
any UFO information and if forced to say anything, will obscure,
tangle and weave a deceptive lie.
Asked outright if the public has a right to know these facts, John
says, "No! They don't!"
Why?
"Because!" was his admittedly evasive answer.
Then why, after 10 years of silence, is
John Lear talking once
again, after almost 60 years, the majority of U.S. population don't
believe that Roswell happened.
"I certainly do not represent a threat to this kind of security", he
responds.
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Start of Interview between Art Bell and John Lear
A = Art Bell J
= John Lear
A - Other than the fact that we got in touch once again John, I
really am curious. Why! After 10 years, why break your silence now?
and Welcome!
J - Thank you Art, You mean I could have said, "No!" ?
A - laughs heartily - Yeah! Too late! laughs again. Yeah! You could
have said, No! Sure! I'm - I'm serious - Why after 10 years of not a
peep, why now?
J - Well you know, the government in charge of this coverup, - uh -
works so well at making your life miserable when you go around
talking about this stuff, that I quit and my life - the quality of
my life improved about 200%. But now, the coverup is so well in
place, that they certainly would not be threatened by me going on
the radio just once and saying what I know.
A - Yeah! Well, you lost jobs because of this, right?
J - Yeah - I lost two. I lost one with an airline and one with a
government program that I really wanted. It was with Lockheed, and
they went for my clearance and they were told by the airforce that
now - under no circumstances would John Lear ever get another
clearance. Now - I had a clearance up at the test site for some work
I did with Dyn-electron - it was just monitoring below ground tests
from the air with different airplane, but - uh - that clearance is
still there, - not active - but they weren't going to renew it under
any circumstances and they made it plain - so its cost me a little
bit, but I managed to survive.
A - Um - all right! You know - before we launch into the whole
spectrum of things we have to talk about John, uh - when you and I
were on the phone the other day, you began to tell me about 9/11 and
I'd really would like to talk about that. Uh - you have a
perspective on the 9/11 thing that people should at least hear. I
mean - everybody can make up their own minds about it, but you're a
commercial pilot and there are certain things you know. So how about
it?
J - Well! This is a sensitive subject, and I told you that I was
hesitant to talk about it.
A - That's why I'm bringing it up first! (Art laughs again)
J - But whoever concocted 9/11, and it certainly wasn't Osama Bin Ladin, they had two objectives - one was to polarize American's
opinion against Arab-Muslims and number two was to get the United
States - trick the U.S. - essentially to get Osama out of
Afghanistan because Osama - as bad as he was - he was shutting down
all the heroin poppy fields and was causing a disastrous monetary
loss to the illegal drug industry - and last year, which was a year
after we went into Afghanistan, National Geographic did a special on
TV, that ran for several months and documented the 500% increase in
drugs flowing out of Afghanistan 'after' we went in there and
eliminated Osama.
A - laughs - They actually did. I recall that. I remember that
report! Um - so you are sort of charging that we went in there after
Osama - after Osama to rescue the drug trade?
J - No! Well - that wasn't what 'we' thought - we were sort of
tricked into doing that. We were tricked into thinking that Osama
was responsible for 9/11, but to get a proper perspective on who
'did' the World Trade Center - uh - you have to understand what a
magnificent feat of airmanship this was. It was 'disastrous' and was
horrible for this country, but this was not accomplished by some
guys who went to Florida and got some instructions on a Cessna or a
Piper and this was not accomplished by somebody who had a right seat
on a 727.
A - What about simulators? Flight simulators?
J - This had to be accomplished by pilots who got instruction - were
taken to 'honest-to-God' Boeing 757 simulators which is - you know -
the 757 and 767 the same cockpit essentially and you get the same
rating and whoever concocted this whole thing knew that on a
particular day that airplanes themselves could be switched because
of maintenance problems and by selecting airlines that had that
airplane, they had everything covered.
A - Huh! So it actually took a fair amount of skill to plow into
those buildings?
J - I would say that it took about
200 or 300 hours for each pilot - and we're talking about...
A - 200 or 300 hours? But you mean of simulator time?
J - Of simulator time! They had to learn how to step into the
cockpit - and that's a whole thing - getting into the airplane, but
that's separate from that - they had to get into the cockpit and
pull the circuit breaker for the transponder - sit in the pilot
seat, disconnect the auto-pilot from the flight management system -
turn the airplane, push the throttles all the way forward, find
Manhattan - then line up on a pre-planned course - doing 10 miles a
minute - they were clocked by air traffic control doing 600 miles an
hour at 700 feet above the ground and fly directly into the middle
the center of the World Trade Center.
Now that - you know and the
air races only fly 400 miles an hour and that's difficult - but to
fly an airliner like the size of a 757 at 700 feet - I mean that
took some skill and that took a long time to train that - probably a
year.
A - That's wild (unintelligible)
J - In addition to that -
hitting the Trade Center was a feat - but
hitting the Pentagon was even more of a feat because when you are
going that fast there is a tremendous amount of air creating this
lift and as you head towards the ground, that air reacts against the
wing and pushes you up, so whoever - whoever hit that - trained to
hit the Pentagon at the 3rd story was highly trained because when he
came towards the ground - there was a tremendous amount of lift and
you would have to trim forward and push with an incredible amount of
strength to not be pushed up and over the Pentagon to hit the 3rd
story.
A - But what about the plane that went down that didn't make it -
that was probably headed towards the Whitehouse?
J - uh - Well that was
shot down by an F-16 out of a base south of New York and
uh...
A - How can you be so sure?
J - Well because there were parts found 5 miles away - uh - because
there were eye-witnesses to it being shot down - uh - there is
corroborating evidence somebody who was listening to a cell phone
conversation at the time this was going on who said they heard the
rapid - like the ... described it as a pilot rapidly turning pages -
well - that's not what was happening - that was the cannon fire
hitting the fuselage and that's what accounted for - what they
called the 'smoke ' in the air in the cabin - well that wasn't smoke
- that was the depressurization causing the condensation.
A -
Well so you are saying definitely that you feel it was shot
down...
J - But you have to understand the governments position - #1 - they
couldn't 'possibly' reveal this information because - you know - it
was something they had to do - the problem was that once the
passengers got control of the airplane there was no way to
communicate with air traffic control or communicate with whoever was
directing the attack for the airforce.
A - Now you say Osama Bin Ladin wasn't responsible but there are
video tapes showing Osama with his Lieutenant sort of laughing and
joking - they didn't expect such a grand result and all that baloney
- what about that?
J - He might have been told at the last minute, but if that's all
we've got, people say 'how come we haven't got him'? But the bottom
line is, we don't want to get Osama - we'd have to put him on trial
and other than that video tape, we don't have a 'shred' - not a
'shred' of evidence against him.
A - Uh huh! Yet, it might be enough in a court of law!
J - In a world court?
A - You
might be right! Well! Uh - I don't know - You've shocked me with
some of your views on the 9/11 business. No question about that!
100's of hours - Where would they get simulator training like
that? - that many hours...
J - Therein lies the problem. Because they 'certainly' couldn't
waltz into any airline in the United States and get that kind of
time - I mean most of the airlines in the US who have 757's use them
24 hours a day and they certainly aren't in the habit of renting -
uh - to unauthorized people like somebody going in there saying
'Hey! give me 1500 hours of time" - Its just not going to happen.
They would have to find another 757 elsewhere in the world and if
you look around in the Middle-East and there's certainly none there
because at least not in any Arab Country because they have airbusses
- strictly airbusses - They would have to find 757's somewhere else.
A - How many simulators are there?
J - Well! There are lots of them - but uh - well - not lots of them
- but there's certain around somewhere and they'd have to make a
deal somewhere - obviously they got training because they couldn't
do it without training.
A - But what we've been given by the media -
by the mass media - you
know - they were down in Florida - getting a few hours on
lighter aircraft - that doesn't wash at all...
J -
No possibility! If you talk to any pilot that knows anything
about this and that was - and that was a feat with the
(unintelligible) with the benefit with 19,000 hours in all the
airplanes I've flown including air races - the Douglas B-26, I
doubt that I could have done that the 1st time...
A - Really!
J - You are doing a mile every 6 seconds - so you had to learn where
to line up, you know ... which reference points to get - you know -
where to be at a particular time hit that building. It had to be
planned for a long, long time. So this is a tremendous amount of
skill, and it took a long time to do, particularly you know - they
probably got somebody who didn't have thousands of hours - they
probably had to train them from the ground up, and in this case it
was relatively easy because they didn't have to learn how to take
off and land - he didn't have to learn how do a single engine
approach - he didn't have to learn to do a (unintelligible) or MBD
approach, or anything like that ...
A - Just hit a building ...
J - Yeah!
Stop for Newsbreak!
Art continues the interview:
A - A lot of people listening tonight will have no idea of you and
the year of Lazar - a lot of people of course are rather recent
listeners and its been a decade although we have interviewed - I
actually interviewed Bob Lazar not too long ago, John ...
J - Yes! I listened to it.
A - Ah - you did ... You heard it!
J - Yes!
A - Um - it might be really interesting to kind of get that period
of time from you - for all the new listeners - there are so many ...
J - I served some time with Bob a month or so ago. I had an occasion
to ferry an L 10-11 from where it was painted in the south - the
name of the airport escapes me, but we took it up to Roswell - and
as you know - Roswell is a - there is a huge airport - a repository
for old airplanes - not old - well yeah - old airliners - there must
be 200 of them there - just every kind you can imagine - L 10-11s,
747's, DC 10s, DC 9's ...
A - They are really kept there to avoid erosion that would occur
elsewhere - right - its desert ...
J - Yeah - Mohave is one, Victorville is another - Roswell ...
anyway - Well I went to Roswell - and coming back I took the bus
from Roswell to Albuquerque and Bob picked me up and I spent a few
days at his house and talked about old times and stuff ... and it
was interesting, but how I got into all this was sometime in
1984-1985. I picked up a book "Missing Time" by
Budd Hopkins - ...
A - Of course!
J - and when I read it - I said, "Holy Smokes! This is true!" I mean
- it gave me chills and at that time I was flying with American
Transair, and I was based in New York and I gave Budd a call and
ended up over at his house and uh - I spent a fascinating evening
with him and ummm - and that got me really interested.
And then ...
Whitley Streiber wrote
Communion and that was even more scary. I
remember reading that book - and I went to the store to get it and I
got a call to take a flight from Las Vegas to Cleveland and I
remember flying the 727 on the way to Cleveland and reading this
thing and how scary it was ... but anyway I got interested in all
this ... lets see ... what happened next ... I went on this little
tour around Colorado, New Mexico - checking out all these rumours -
it was just 'fascinating ' and then I started to give lectures - and
I gave - and at that time I was on my soap box and ... "We 'deserve'
to know this stuff" and at that time I had no idea how heavily
involved the government was in this - I thought they were really
just dismissing it.
A - You went at this almost like an obsession ....
J - It 'was' an obsession... and it almost caused a divorce -
because my wife turned off the phone - I mean - changed my numbers
and um - it was a very - very turbulent time. But anyway, in the
summer of 1988, a guy called up, during all of this turbulence, and
he said, "Hey! I'd like to get a copy of your tapes." I said, "No!
I'm out of this. I'm done with it. It's just a mess.!" He said,
"Well! If you ever need an appraisal of your house, I'll trade you.
I'm an appraiser." I said, "I'll tell you what. I need my house
appraised. I'll trade you the tapes for the appraisal."
A - laughs. "Oh yes!"
J - So, he came over and he brought this guy named
Bob Lazar to hold
the measuring tape. Well, we sat down and talked about UFOs and Bob
started this rolling his eyes and Bob said, "I've never heard to
much BS in my life." He said, "I worked at Los Alamos. If this were
true, I would have known it. I have the higher clearance." And, you
know - people who have a II clearance say they have the highest. So
anyway, over the next few months, we got together and me and Bob and
I kept feeding Bob information and like about October or November,
it became apparent to him something was going on, and I think there
was two or three things I had said ...
One - I had said there was a
facility called YY-II - a secret facility and that's where they keep
the live aliens and I mentioned something else ... I forget what it
was - but anyway, his friends at Los Alamos wrote him back and said,
"Indeed there is a YY-II, but that doesn't mean their's an alien
there, but there was a secret area ... but anyway ...Bob decided to
re-enter the scientific community and Bob called Dr. Teller. I was
there when he made the call and I reminded Dr. Teller of when he was
at Los Alamos and asked him if he (Bob) could re-enter the
scientific community. Dr. Teller said, "Do you want to work in
Livermore, California, or do you want to work out there at Nellis?
Bob said, "I want to work at Area 51". Tell said, "Let me see what I
can do." Well, the next thing I know is Bob has three security
interviews down at EG&G Facility here and he mentioned to me after
the second interview - they said, "Do you know John Lear, and what
is your relationship with him?" Well Bob said, "Well! I know him.
He's a person who sticks his nose where it doesn't belong." And Bob
said when he told them that - what he didn't tell them that 'he'
likes to stick his nose where it doesn't belong.
A - (chuckles)
J - So anyway, the next thing I know is in December of 1988, Bob
shows up at my house in the evening and sits down. I'm wiped out -
sitting down doing some paperwork and Bob sit in a chair in front of
my desk and Bob says, "I saw a disk today!"
A - Here's where I want to stop you and ask you a quick question -
you know - when Bob first came to you at the point you are talking
about right now, what do you think his motivation was? Because - of
course ....
J - Well - he told me what his motivation was. He said, "I saw a
disk today". and I said, "What are you talking about? I said,
"Theirs or ours?" He said, "Theirs!" I said, "Did you go to Area
51?" He said, "Yeah! I just got back!" I said, "Then what are you
doing 'here' Bob? This is fantastic! ...obviously they followed you.
I said, "Why don't you find out what's going on and 'then' tell me?
And he said, "Because you have taken so much flack over this ...
A - Yeah!
J - ... so much ridicule. I just wanted to tell you that I saw it."
That was his motive.
A - So you think he was coming to you ... privately ... at that
point ...
J - Yeah!
A - Just saying, "Look! What you believe ... its true ... I can
verify it! It's true."
J - Right!
A - So, it was just because you're friends. He saw your struggle.
J - Right!
A - And from that point?
J - Well! From that point - uh - you know - he kept - he was ...
Well he worked from December 1988 to March 21, 1989, which will
always be a date that we'll always remember and that ... the Tuesday
before ... the 21st was a Wednesday. The day before ... I was over
to his house and he said, "Do you want to go and see a disk fly
tomorrow?"
I said, "Well, how?" and he said, "I know a place we can
watch it and they always test on Wednesdays at sunset because that
is the time this road is least traveled." So I said, "Okay! Let's
go." So Gene Haupt and me and Bob got in my motor home and I think
Bob's wife was with us and we drove up there - just south of the
black mail box, which we didn't know about then.
A - The now infamous black mail box...
J - Right! I set up the telescope and here comes this thing - from
behind the mountains where Groom Lake was and it flitted around and
I'm trying to focus this 8" Celestron telescope which was very
difficult.
A - Bad idea!
J - But finally I go tit and I saw a disk that was oriented about 45
degrees to the horizon and it was glowing - it was yellowish orange
and it was glowing - and it was settling back down behind the
mountains and I said, "Quick Gene - take a look, (laughs) and as I
stepped back from the telescope, I hooked the tripod leg and go tit
off ... off the focus and of course, there's a big laugh about that
- and at one time I had those tapes - all those tapes, but I'm
moving out of my house now and I stored everything in the garage as
far as tapes and UFO books, all the documents and everything and
somebody came and stole half of it, including my UFO books and
everything and I don't know who it was and I don't' expect it ...
you know ... I think it was just an accident that somebody took that
stuff and that tape is gone.
A - Well... a telescope of that power would actually give you pretty
good resolution - if you really managed to get it and old the focus
..(unintelligible)
J - Well, I saw it - it was perfect. No doubt about it.
A - How much could you see beyond a glowing disk, John?
J - That was it!
A - That was it! No further details of the craft itself? Could you
even estimate from distance - the size?
J - No! So, we stayed around for another couple hours and nothing
happened, so we went home and so the next Wednesday night, I was on
a trip - an airline trip and I couldn't go, but I called Bob and I
said, "What's going on?" and he said, "We're going fishing
tonight!", which I new they were going up to Groom Lake, and uh -
which I knew - that night, I think him, Annie, Wyatt, Keeley, and
George Knapp went and that was the night that George got the film
that he got.
The third night which was the following Wednesday- was
March 6th. And that's when we went up and we had all the Geiger
counters and the cameras and everything and that's the night we got
caught and we were going down the road that accessed to the back
gate of Groom Lake, and I kept saying ... "C'mon! Lets stop here ..."
A - How close... how close were you allowed to get?
J - About 10 miles.
A - 10 miles - so you were how far inside that 10 mile point?
J - uh - I think we were about 10 miles and we
hadn't even come to
the security gate - that's way up in the ridge area.
A - I guess - what I'm getting at - is ... were you in an area where
you could legally be?
J - Oh yeah - absolutely!
A - All right!
J - But we were going further - and I kept saying, "Okay! Lets
stop!" and then we saw some headlights in front of us and I said,
"Okay! Let's turn around. There's no use in trying to push this
issue." I said, "We're not going to be able to get out now," and as
we turned around, I forget who was driving - I think it was Bob's
wife's sister, and I said, "Don't get stuck in the dirt," and se we
turned around and we head as fast as we can down this road and there
were these jeeps or vehicles following us and when I told this story
- I said there were 4 and Bob says, "No! There were only two."
I
forget how any there were... but anyway, we got to a point almost to
the road and we decided they were too close behind us - so we ...
Bob says, "Let's stop. I can't afford to get caught. I'm going to go
out into the desert... you guys can do what you have to do" ... and
so we got out.. Bob went into the desert ... I set up the telescope
and these guys pull up - form a circle - they had guns ... They
said, "What are you guys doing?" and I said, "We're just looking at
the stars." and they said, "Well! How come you were running away
from us?" I said, "We thought you might be dopers." and he said,
"Well! We're not", and he said, "We need to see some I.D."
So
everybody had to give their Social Security and their driver's
license number and we were there about 1/2 an hour. They checked
everything and they gave us the briefing, and they said, "We can't
kick you off here - this is BLM land, but we can make it awfully
difficult for you if you stay." And we said, "Okay! We'll go!" and
so they leave ... remember this is at night ... it's extremely dark
- way out in the middle of the desert - and we had a trunk open which
cast a light and I'm loading stuff and we wait about 15 minutes and
Bob comes out of the desert and we sit there laughing and joking
about seeing flying saucers and so on and so on ... unbeknownst to
us - the security team stopped just about 100 yards and they were
filming us and they had a parabolic reflector and they were
recording what we were saying.
So, we pack up everything and we go
and get on the road just where it meets 278 - and as we get on the
road - I think its Knights or Lincoln County Sheriff stops us and
they pull up and got the lights going and got the bull horn. He
says, "All right! Everybody out! Put your hands on the car," And so
we got out and put our hands on the car and he comes over and uh -
we were there about an hour and checks I.D. and he was talking to
somebody and pretty soon he comes up and says, "Look! I have only
two questions."
He says, "One - where's the gun?" because we had
mentioned that Bob went out into the desert with a gun - and he
says, "I want to know why there are 5 people here and there were
only 4 when security stopped you." And so nobody said anything and I
have to admit that I made one of the monumental mistakes of my life
- and Bob Lazar will never - ever forgive me for this ... but its my
nature ... when he asked for the driver's license, I said, "Mine's
in the trunk" and so we had to open the trunk with all the
Geiger
counters and film in there and after about an hour hemming and
hawing and not giving him an answer - to anything - he said ... and
I remember this officer's name .... its a French name ... and he
still works there for Lincoln County and I see him from time to
time.
He says, "Look! I don't know why I've been told to do this,
but I've been told to let you guys go, so pack your stuff and get
out of here." So we packed up our stuff and left ... and the next
morning, Bob got a call from his boss ...
A - If I can stop you, John do you think you were let go - was
because of the Lazar name?
J - Right!
A - Yeah! Okay!
J - They didn't want any more ... publicity ... so the next morning
Bob gets a call from his boss - and he said, "Bob! Don't go to work
- I'm going to pick you up" and he picked him up and drove him up to
Indian Springs which is the center for security for the test site,
and they pulled him out of the car with a gun in his ear and they
said, "Bob - when we gave you this security clearance - it didn't
mean that you were supposed to tell 'all' your friends about the
flying saucers - do you want to work here or not?".
And he was
non-committal. He came home and told us about what happened. I said,
"Bob - are you going back to work", and he said, "Probably not!" and
I said, "Why?" and he said, "the main reason is ... the last time I
went up ..." he said, "When I got on that boat, I remember getting
into that 737 and getting off and I can't remember what I did up
there ... and I can't work under conditions like that."
Newsbreak:
A - Okay John! We left off where essentially Bob said, "Nah! I don't
think I'll go back to work there ...
J - Yeah! The last thing he said was he could remember getting on
the 737 and he could remember getting off, but he couldn't remember
what he did there. ... I had done - so in the next day or so - on
Saturday - No .. on Sunday morning, I had done some interviews with
George Knapp - I can't remember what the show was called, but we
discussed UFOs and everything and that night he called me and he
said, "John! You won't believe it, but the phones are ringing off
the hook here ... People want more.
What can we do for an encore? I
said, "Well, maybe I can get Bob to come on and so that I talked to
Bob and that ... and then on Monday night he did the news show where
he showed them - in 'shadow' telling that when he worked up there
... working on extraterrestrial craft -
A - Oh! That was a big broadcast.
J - and then a few days later, George Knapp, Bob Stova -
who headed
Channel 8 came up and George Knapp said "I have Bob here and want to
talk to Lazar and want to see if he's telling the truth and I wanna'
go ahead with a special." He said, "I need to get Bob Stova's
permission. " So we sat here for an hour or tow and they grilled Bob
this way and that and then finally Bob Stova said, "Okay! Go ahead
and do it," and then George then did a 6-part documentary on Lazar.
A - Yeah! Very famous documentary - uh ... Channel 8 stayed ..
really stayed very heavily on that and that was it? ...
J - That was pretty much it. Bob gave the Lazar tape which said what
he learned up there and uh - We kept in touch for many years and Bob
did 'Desert Blast' every year until he ran 'Desert Blast 13' ... was
the last one that we ran ... that was the largest outlaw fireworks
show west of the Mississippi and uh - we didn't do it again for
several reasons - one - because we did 13 shows with tremendously
high explosive displays and there wasn't one injury. Bob said, We've
gotten away with this long enough - for 13 years - lets bring this
to a close ...
A - I've got a computer here and people can send questions as we go
along and somebody is asking, "Well! That proves that Bob knew the
schedule roughly of what was happening up there, but that doesn't
necessarily prove the rest of his story." How confident are you that
everything that you were told by Bob was right on the money?
J - You know - I'm confident that everything he told me was true and
I've heard that argument also several times ... that he knew the
schedule - but also and that maybe he was just a cook up there - so
if he was a cook ... that means that they told the cooks when they
were going to fly the flying saucers.
A - laughs - Yeah! That's a very good point - a very good point. But
I'm going to ...
J - There is no way I can prove all that happened, but I can just
say ... "I believe it!"
A - Of course! And you can say what you believe you saw with your
own eyes.
J - Yeah!
A - Do you have ... How much of an idea do you have with regard to
the capability of the craft you saw fly - ... 'fly' is the wrong
word I guess ...
J - Well! Bob said it had tremendous capabilities - it could
certainly travel outside this solar system and go to other solar
systems. The fuel - he worked on the propulsion system. When you go
to work there - everything is so compartmentalized - other than of
the original briefing that he got where he learned - he got to where
he knew a little of what was going on - they don't allow you to work
on all aspects of it - everything - he had to pick on e field and
his field that he picked was to try to duplicate the propulsion with
present-day technology - and of course its impossible ... they are
hundreds of thousands of years ahead of us and uh .. although we can
understand how it works, there is no way we can contain an
anti-matter reactor .
A - John! Uh... Bob got his hand on
element 116. uh - crucial to the
operation of the crafts - of element 116.
J - That is the
fuel.
Element 116
Uuh
Ununhexium
Element 116 has no uses as only about three atoms of this element
have ever been made.
from
WebElements Website
The essentials
Name: ununhexium Symbol: Uuh
Atomic number: 116 Atomic weight: [292]
CAS Registry ID: 54100-71-9 Group number: 16
Group name: Chalcogen Period number: 7
Block: p-block
Here is a brief description of ununhexium.
Standard state: presumably a solid at 298 K
Colour: unknown, but probably metallic and silvery white or grey in
appearance Classification: Metallic
An isotope of Element 116 (292Uuh) was identified in the reaction of
248Cm with 48Ca.
It is very shortlived and decomposes to a known isotope of element
114, 288114Uuq.
Isolation
Here is a brief summary of the isolation of ununhexium.
Results published on the 6th December 2000 concerning recent
experiments at Dubna in Russia
(involving workers from The Joint Institute for Nuclear Research,
Dubna, Russian Federation;
The Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, California, USA; The
Research Institute of Atomic
Reactors, Dimitrovgrad, Russian Federation; and The State Enterprise
Electrohimpribor, Lesnoy, Russian Federation) describe the decay of
the isotope
292Uuh
(produced in the reaction of 248Cm with
48Ca) to 292Uuq.
24896Cm
+ 4820Ca 292116Uuh
+ 4 n
This decayed 47 milliseconds later as follows to a previously
identified isotope of elements 114, Uuq.
292116Uuh
288114Uuq + 42He
Historical information
-
Discovered by: Yu.Ts. Oganessian, V.K. Utyonkov, Yu.V. Lobanov,
F.Sh. Abdullin, A.N. Polyakov,
I.V. Shirokovsky, Yu.S. Tsyganov, G.G. Gulbekian, S.L. Bogomolov,
B.N. Gikal, A.N. Mezentsev,
S. Iliev, V.G. Subbotin, A.M. Sukhov, O.V. Ivanov, G.V. Buklanov,
K.Subotic, M.G. Itkis, K.J. Moody,
J.F. Wild, N.J. Stoyer, M.A. Stoyer, R.W. Lougheed, C.A. Laue, Ye.A.
Karelin, and A.N. Tatarinov
-
Discovered at: Dubna, Russia
-
Discovered when: 2000
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A - The fuel ... did he ... you remember ... you don't have to
answer these if you don't want to, but did he bring element 116 to
our home?
J - No! It was at his house.
A - It was at his house ... you saw it yourself ...
J - Yes!
A - Huh! ummm - what became of the ...
element 116 that he
possessed?
J - No comment!
A - No comment! Okay! Um... Let me ask you something easy ... maybe
its not easy ... umm... you are a pilot ... you've been a pilot all
your adult life I guess... correct?
J - Yeah!
A - Something a lot of us wonder.. is .. how many pilots see these
craft? - uh - a lot of people ... I've noticed something John, we
get a lot more UFO sightings - when Mars is getting close and people
are paying attention to the sky ... most people go around - pay
attention to what is in front of them - or the road or whatever -
they have to - they don't spend a lot of time looking at the sky ...
ah - but pilots do - they spend a lot of time looking at the sky and
many of us wonder - how many pilots actually see these things?
J - That's really a misconception - because when you are a pilot and
flying an airplane - particularly in this day and age .. you are
concentrating on what is going on inside the cockpit - during the
nighttime - even if you have the lights turned down - there is no
way you can see out the windows - I mean - you can press our eyeball
against the window and see stars but its not like you can sit in
your normal piloting position and see outside ... you can't.
And
then during the daytime - uh - you know ... your attention isn't
outside - I mean - you look out occasionally from time to time - so
most of your concentration is inside - you are talking to the
air-traffic control - you're monitoring the instruments and paying
attention to flying.
A - so then ..
J - But - but - so in answer to your question ... how many many
people see? ... not many. I've heard some stories of guys who see
stuff outside and of course, I may have been a little different. I
spend a lot more time looking outside - um - I remember one of the
last flights I made with a cargo airline and where its very late at
night and I'm looking out ...
I see this thing go streaking across
the sky and go straight up and I thought ' oh gosh, I wish the crew
had seen that so then I didn't say anything - and then it happened
again and then I thought - well Gosh - maybe it'll happen again, so
I said, "Hey you guys - look at this ... and it happened three more
times. I was - I don't know what it was .. it came streaking about
1/2 way across the horizon, directly over the airplane and then shot
straight up ...
A - Uh - (at a loss for words) uh - okay! There is a
million things
I want to ask you about, for example: uh - Richard C. Hoagland, in
the early years had some shocking stuff, he said about things that
are on our moon - just incredible things - tall spires, structures
and buildings and things - just incredible stuff - and people
laughed - they ought not be laughing at that, huh?
J. No! Richard C. Hoagland inspired me to look into that and I
ordered some prints from NASA and of course - when you order
pictures
of the moon from NASA, and they don't come from NASA - there are
three separate places where they come from and to go back to the
middle 60's when NASA really realized what was going on, they had
the lunar orbitor series - there were five camera ships they sent to
the moon with fabulous detailed photographs of the moon - and when
they came back, they were chock full of these buildings and arches,
domes, and buildings and of ... you know ... there were people who
spent their entire careers airbrushing this stuff out and then
taking a picture of 'that' picture and that's what you would get for
public information and that's the picture that got sent out to the
pubic.
Once in awhile you could order a picture and they forgot to
airbrush - or they didn't know it, and one thing they could never
have imagined in the 60's - that in the 90's computer technology
would make it possible that we could scan a photograph like that and
enlarge it and find the airbrush marks and find stuff that they
didn't see - looking at the print. You can go right down and see
little tracks and all kinds of stuff.
A - So - you think they're just erasing this stuff, they have been
erasing stuff like crazy - to protect us from the truth?
J - Well yeah! They are having a really hard time keeping this stuff
from the public. I mean, every time you send something to Mars,
something happens, it doesn't work, they have an accident. etc. We
sent Clementine to the moon, it took all these fabulous pictures and
it spun out of control and the guys at NASA think - you know - can
we do this? Do you think the public is going to fall for this every
single time? And some guy would say, "Well! They have so far and ...
A - Well then - you've been following Richard's career to some
degree?
J - Absolutely! What a guy!
A - All right! Like a year ago, John, he suddenly came up with these
photographs of Mars and you know I've done quite a bit of flying -
I'm surely not a pilot - but you know - when you look at these
photographs - the more recent ones of Mars - even I sat here and
went, "Oh my God!" - it's like I'm looking down - on a damn city -
like a city - it looks like a city from the air and buildings
everywhere - square shapes that don't make any sense on Marts from
pictures that were imaged just below the surface. I don't know if
you've seen these or not - have you?
J - Which ones are we talking about?
A - Umm - they're fairly ... within the year ... recent pictures -
within a year - imaged kind of - some of the ...just below the ground
- you know
J - Yeah! Yeah! sure ...
A - My God! they ...
J - You know - there are some taken above the ground that are
equally fascinating.
A - They are ...
J - We are running into the same thing with Richard that we run in
with UFO people as ... Everyone believes their own research, but
when they hear another story ... "Oh that guy is full of B.S.!!" and
uh - so you kind of have to do your own - as you research this. Now
the last thing I came across ... have you seen the city of Tithonia?
Cydonia
A - Yes!
J - Okay! now that stuff is fascinating. I called up that guy at
Redstar and said, "Send me that stuff - and what is so fascinating
about it - is I don't know if you can do this today, but you used to
be able to go to
Malin Space Systems and download it - the film -
yourself and look at it yourself - you didn't have to go buy a CD.
A - Yeah! - Its incredible stuff. I mean - to me - from the air - it
looks very city-like. John that would imply a gigantic civilization
at least at one time - was on Mars - without question!
J - Yeah! When Bob was
working at the test site, one of the things he
saw was close-up views of - they were taken at very close
range - he said that the pyramid on Cydonia - you could see doors
and windows and ... you know - there was no doubt - that was a place
where somebody lived - and so - he and I had an occasion to drive
down to LA - to pick up his jet car and when we were down there - we
drove over to
JPL and we went to see the guy - who was head of - um
- was it Voyager that went ... I've lost my memory - what was the
name of the ... was it Voyager II? that went to Mars?
A - Well! It was Voyager!
EDITORS NOTE:
Viking
1976 - Viking
Mars Orbiter Images
Mars Space
Missions
Mars Lander Photos
Mars Missions
J - Okay! So we went to see the guy who was head of Voyager imaging
and we said - "Bob has been up to Area 51 and Bob saw these close up
photos and um - but the photos which are released to the public - we
don't see this particular photo " We said, "This photo we saw was
taken at a very low altitude, uh - and at a specific angle," and we
said, "Did ... was Voyager ever tasked - sent at a lower angle to
take pictures and the guy said, "As a matter of fact, we did task it
to go lower, but we didn't take any pictures."
A - (Art chuckles)
J - Now here's the beauty of this thing and this is how a coverup
works - he knew that it went lower, but even he didn't have a high
enough clearance - even though he was head of imaging - that that
picture was taken.
A - Uh - John - why do you think that all of this is being withheld
from us? The whole thing - why? Why are we being protected from this
information? I mean ... On the one hand, people call us and say
...'I can take it ... " the fact that Brookings said that
people
would be disturbed and all that baloney ... I want to know." So the
question is , who are we not being allowed to know? Why? Why keep it
all secret?
J - The answer is - and that is in the form ... I'd like to do
something with you , but we'll need a good 10 or 15 minutes because
what I'm going to do is say ... "Art Bell - the government has
chosen you because of your vast experience with the public and what
you think they can handle and we decided - that we are either going
to release all this information or not - but we are going to tell
you everything we know and you decided - Yay or Nay!"
A - Yeah!
J - and that this would be 'YOU' Art Bell - it will you YOU!
A - Yeah! I would think that I was being set up - John!
J - Really!!!
A - Yeah! Big time set up -
J - When we have 10 minutes of clear time - I have written the
briefing you are going to get from the government and then after
that briefing - that comes with slides and videos and of course you
can't see them, but I'll talk you through them and then after you see
them - I'll say - Art - Yay or Nay!!
A - while laughing - Art says - So you are going to give me a
briefing, huh?
J- Yes!
A - Okay! We'll do that in a few minutes. - uh Apollo 17 - Apollo 17
- or will that - can you give us a brief - I mean - was there some
mission with regard - was there something about Apollo 17 that
wasn't fully public?
J - Yes! Apollo 17 landed in the
Taurus Litrow area, (see above at
the beginning of this interview) which is extremely dangerous - um -
there is mountain peaks that go 8 to 10 thousand feet - a round area
- but what they were tasked to do on the second day was to go to Nansen and Nansen is a large,
obviously constructed opening inside
the south massif and they wanted to take a look at it - so
essentially its been covered up, but there is a website where you can
read the whole thing, see the pictures of Nansen - you get exact -
what the astronauts said, which its very, very interesting what they
said - uh - what I'll do at the end of this broadcast - I'll going to
e-mail you about 10 or 15 websites - that we are talking about -
that you can pass them on if you want - and maybe you can look at
Apollo 17 and Project Redstar and all the rest of them.
A - All of this - uh - an Apollo mission - our space
program in
general - How much of this would have to be hidden? Now - of course
its worth mentioning - that we have not gone back to the moon ...
not with men as one would have expected by now ... or Mars or
anything else ... its like ... its kind of like ... I don't know -
were' being kept home.
J - Right! We were told to stay away - we were given that edict by
the aliens - they said, "You will NOT come back here - and ...
I'm
not sure exactly which particular Apollo series it was and we said,
"Look! We've got all these Saturn 5's - it will be hard to keep that
from the public," and they said "Okay! - one or two more and 'that's
it!" Apollo 17 was the lsat one and the NASA excuse was , "We don't
have any more funding and we can't do it and they have - still had 3
remaining Saturn 5's fueled and ready to go and they were 18, 19,
and 20.
A - The threat - that stopped us - what was the 'or else' part?
J - It was just '"or else" and you know - I don't know exactly what
was said, and I didn't talk to anybody who heard the threat - it was
just enough threat - that "Don't come back here - you're not
welcome."
A - Yeah!
Newsbreak.
A - laughing - I've been set up before , but it doesn't hurt to
listen - laughing - you know - its kind of interesting - over the
years of doing this program, - so many years now - I've often
wondered why I've been allowed to do it at all (laughs) so let's say
the government chose me - they were going to use me as an outlet to
release this information - lets just say they did that and they took
me to a briefing ...
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John Lear's Disclosure Briefing
As presented on the 11/2/03 show:
Art Bell: Let's say the government chose me. They were going to use
me as an outlet to release this information. Let's just say they did
that and they took me to a briefing. Then what John?
John Lear: They whisk you to Washington, DC, you get limo-ed to this
building, beautiful building, you go up into this room. They say,
'Art, you're the guy and if you give us the go ahead, we are gonna
release everything we know to the public. If you decide to go ahead,
all major networks will be provided with information on all aspects
of the cover up and no type of information will be withheld. Because
of the deal for immunity for all participants of the cover up
provides that nothing, no artifacts, no piece of information be
withheld.'
So here's what happened, Art. We'll use some videos and stills. Our
first UFO recoveries were in the late '30s. We made a couple in the
beginning of the '40s and then came Roswell, which the public found
out about. We got 2 live aliens from Roswell. One died shortly there
after and one lived till 1956. And we found out so far there are 18
different alien species that we know about monitoring Earth. Some
are good and some are hostile, most are indifferent.
We found out
that we are the experimental product, if you will, of an alien race
who we never met and we don't know who they are. All we know is that
the Greys are cybernetic organisms, glorified robots if you will,
who work here at the behest of their employers monitoring us through
abductions. We were never able to find out what the experiment is
all about except that we have been externally corrected about 65
times. And they, the aliens, refer to us as "Containers." There's
been speculation that the souls our bodies contain is the reason for
the experiments. But nothing's been proven or determined.
Since 1938 we've lost over 200 aircraft due to UFO hostilities and
thousands of soldiers in all kinds of different actions with aliens.
Since that time several hundred thousand civilians have disappeared
with no trace. Several thousand of those were eliminated by us
because of their chance encounters with the aliens which we could
ill afford to have publicized.
A slightly more frightening phenomena known as "human mutilations"
have occurred on a regular basis and are similar to "cattle
mutilations". In that the human or humans are taken from the street,
so to speak, and returned to the same area about 45 minutes to an
hour later with their rectums cored out, their genitals removed,
eyes removed from their sockets, and completely drained of blood. In
all cases it appeared that the mutilation procedures occurred while
the persons were still alive and conscious.
One of our scientists
speculates that apparently the human specimens had to be alive for
the samples to be worth anything. Abductions occur on a daily basis
throughout the United States to at least 10% of the population.
When we were first made aware this we protested to the little grey
being we had held in captivity at the YY-2 facility in Los Alamos,
but a deal was struck that in exchange for advanced technology from
the aliens we would allow them to abduct a very small number of
persons and we would periodically be given a list of those persons
abducted. We got something less than the technology we bargained for
and found the abductions exceeded by a million fold than what we had
naively agreed to.
In 1954, President Eisenhower met with a representative of another
alien species at Muroc Test Center, which is now called Edwards
Airforce Base. This alien suggested that they could help us get rid
of the Greys but Eisenhower turned down their offer because they
offered no technology.
At this point it became apparent to all involved that there was no
such thing as a God, at least how the public perceives God.
Certainly some form of computer recorder stores information and an
occasional miracle is displayed by the aliens to influence a
religious event. This so unnerved Eisenhower that he had "In God We
Trust" put on paper money and coins and put in the Pledge of
Allegiance to reaffirm the public belief in God.
Shortly after this
it was determined in meetings between the US and the Russians that
the situation was serious enough that a cold war should be
manufactured as a ruse to divert attention of the public away from
UFOs towards some other scary threat like the H-bomb. It was also
decided to keep the ruse secret from any elected or appointed
officials within both the US and Russian governments as it took so
long to vet these officials and the ruse was easier to manage if the
top people didn't know about it.
In the late 1950's NASA was formed to compartmentalize,
containerize, and sanitize information from all space platforms and
vehicles. We sold NASA to the public claiming that all information
would belong to them but they got very little and even that was
highly sanitized.
Our first efforts were to keep the public from
learning about Venus.
A very similar planet to Earth and it's population is very similar
to us just technologically advanced. We have learned a lot from them
starting with the Russian Venera 1 and US Mariner 2, we made Venus
look like a lead melting, volcanic surface, spewing sulfuric acid
into a pressurized atmosphere 90 times that of Earth.
And as often
the case we over did it and we wondered why nobody asked how a
parachute survived a descent into 800-degree air. We set up
operations in
Pine Gap, Australia to preclude any prying eyes
figuring out what we were up to. We regularly eliminated through
extreme prejudice anybody who was part of the operation and made the
least little tiny threat about disclosure or dissatisfaction with
the operation.
Any space mission that included Mercury, Gemini,
Apollo, Mariner, Voyager, Clementine, and all the rest. All data
initially came transmitted to Pine Gap then it was relayed to JPL or
wherever after sanitizing. We had a little trouble with amateur
radio operators but we figured out how they could intercept these
signals but we managed to deal with that.
When the Russian threat began to fade we introduced Vietnam which
kept the public occupied for over ten years. The cover up and
personnel to run the operation began to get bigger and bigger and
required more and more money. We were forced to inflate the defense
budget, which soon not enough. Then we got into the drug business
which was still not enough.
We were the ones that looted the savings
and loan industry and Wall Street to boot. It is so out of control
now most people want immunity and want out. But there is so much
secrecy and so many double and triple blinds in place that it's
unlikely that this thing can ever be dismantled. And even if you
give us the go ahead to spill the beans to the public it's unlikely
they will get anything more than "yes, we recovered a flying saucer
and yes, there was an occupant" but that's all we're gonna tell ya.
So go ahead and roll the tape for Mr. Bell. What you see here are
what human mutilations look like. That one was a male about 27 years
old. That one is film of dead aliens being pulled from the wreckage
of a craft that crashed in Olancha, California in the '50s. That
craft you see over there was over 250ft. in diameter and had to be
buried on the spot. That site is in Utah near
Dugway Proving
Grounds.
The object you're looking at now is the as the
Kecksburg
Acorn which was brought to Wright Patterson in the middle '60s.
There's Frank Drake trying to force information out of a being
tied down to a stretcher. He was supposedly from
Tau Ceti.
These pictures you're looking at now are structures on the Moon.
That's the tower in Sinus Medii (fig.4) and it's over seven miles tall. And
that thing over there is what we call the
Colossus of Oguram(sp) in
Mare Crisium.
We don't know what it does but the machine itself is
bigger than Brooklyn, New York. Now those are videos of the domes
covering the craters. As you can see, some are in a very advanced
state of decay. (Interview
with Art Bell, Hoagland/Ken Johnosn)
fig. 4
http://www.apolloexplorer.co.uk/photo/html/apoll_ov/10074655.htm
Photograph of surface of moon showing Sinus Medii near center of
the moon
Ellipse II-P-8, located in Sinus Medii near the center of the
moon. The center coordinates for the ellipse are 0 degrees 25
minutes north longitude and 1 degree 20 minutes west latitude.
It was the eighth primary site photographed by Lunar Orbiter II.
Surveyor VI landed approximately five kilometers to the
northwest from the center of the ellipse.
Catalog Date: 05 January 1966
Film Type: 4x5 BW
NASA image: S67-08133
These are 5 second slides of the 18 different alien species we are
looking at. That one there is the most gruesome looking. The guards
at one facility are carefully indoctrinated over several months
being shown pictures similar to but not exactly like the alien. Only
when he'd been acclimatized, so to speak, of the horrible looking
beings are they allowed to stand in security positions. Before these
acclimatization were done, we had two guards die of a heart attack
as the aliens came down the hallway unexpectedly.
And this last clip is of the Kennedy assassination. You've heard of
the second gunman theory? Well, this is the second camera that
recorded exactly what happened and we had 4 gunmen. And the bottom
line was that Kennedy had to go. He insisted on releasing what
little alien information we had told him about and he was trying to
withdraw troops from Vietnam which we were using as a diversion for
the public. After Kennedy we never told any President anything.
Nixon knew because he was briefed as VP in 1952. That's how we knew
where to take Jackie Gleason to Homestead Air Force Base to see the
alien bodies we had in storage there.
And that's about it. What say you Art Bell? Do we brief the public?
Yay or nay?"
A - I guess ... my first response would be - having heard even one
quarter of that information - if I really heard it from a legitimate
government source ... that I was about to be killed ... I would
assume I would be in mortal danger ... I mean - its just - uh - any
portion of that information would get a person killed if they knew
it - much less - I - uh - its just ludicrous John, I would never be
put in such a situation. I would never be at such a briefing,
because such a briefing is never, never and will never be made -
EVER!
J - Well, art! Here's the deal - ... is people want to know - the
say, "I can take it - tell me." I mean - the public can take it -
Well - do you want to release it or not?
A - Now wait a minute - are you saying ... Well - well -they can't -
I agree ...
J - You have been given this briefing... the government has decided
... "Look , We're tired of covering this thing up..."
A - This assumes that I really believe that they would release it as
opposed to killing me! Right?
J - They aren't going to kill you if they give you this briefing -
they would just say - "Here it is."
A - No! Once I said, "No!" "Yes or no" - Well I suppose, "No" Once I
said it, then I'd have to be killed, wouldn't I?
J - No! No!
A - Well - other people have been killed because that was part of
your briefing. +++
J - Yeah! But - well that was just up to 1972 - up until 1972, there
was 572 people eliminated from the program because they disagreed
with the way it was going, but after 1972, they don't kill them
anymore. What they do - I don't know! I have my suspicions - of what
they do!
A - Why do you imagine ...
J - Don't bring that into the argument ...
A - Why do you imagine they let people like you on radio shows like
this and saying these things?
J - The government ... the coverup is so firmly in place now that
its not a threat to them.
A - It doesn't matter!
J - uh uh! I mean ... how many people are we talking ? It doesn't
matter. People think its interesting and then they go on with their
business.
A - All right!
J - My point is, if you knew the whole story, you wouldn't be
pushing for disclosure.
A - No! I wouldn't - of course I wound not! I believe that Brookings
was accurate - In fact I believe even more than that . I spent all
these years - getting e-mails and talking to people in the Bible
belt - John! I've talked to a lot of them. I know how the
fundamentalists feel... and it would turn us UP SIDE DOWN!
J - I agree with you. Last night I talked to the guy who is heading
up
the Disclosure Project in Washington, D.C. I read him the exact
same thing I read to you ... and he said, "Yeah! Go for it! Let's do
it! We have a right to know" ... and I'm wondering "How can you
possibly think like that?"
A - Um! How can he? I've asked the same questions.. really I have,
and you get a wonderful speech in return - that also makes sense -
you know. You get the patriotic angle - you get the ... you know ...
we're a part of all that's happening - about these profound issues -
they 'so' profound ... we really have a right to know and the
argument 'sounds good' - it really sounds good. I also know what
would happen if this information got out.
J - You're 100% right. And that's how I believe. And they bring up
the argument, "Well! I'm tired of the government lying to us - and
that's what a government does - they lie to us. They lie to us
continually - but in this particular issue - they are correct!
Here are the web links that John Lear provided in support of his
data:
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John Lear - UFOs and Aliens
edited by Branton
(INPUT 001)
During the late 1980's and early 1990's, John Lear, a Lockheed
L-1011 Captain and son of the famous inventor of the Lear Jet,
started coming forward with some startling revelations concerning
the subject of aerial phenomena and Unidentified Flying Objects.
During his lecture at the 1989 MUFON conference in Las Vegas, titled
'UFO COVERUP, HISTORY AND CURRENT SITUATION' during which he spoke
to an audience of over 400 of the nations leading UFOlogists, Lear
made some startling comments.
One man who we will refer to extensively elsewhere claims to be a
deep level intelligence operative within the U.S. Government who has
access to some very sensitive and top secret information concerning
the government's involvement with 'alien' studies.
This individual,
who refers to himself only as 'Commander X', made the following
comments concerning John Lear and his possible intentions and
motives for his outspokenness.
"...One can't help but be impressed with the name John Lear. After
all, his father, William was the famous aviation pioneer who built
the Lear Aircraft Company, which today holds down many defense
contracts and employs thousands.
"Lear - the son - is also highly regarded in aviation circles,
having flown a variety of over 150 test aircraft, and having won
every award granted by the Federal Aviation Administration.
"Until a few years ago (early 1980's) John Lear had little or no
interest in UFO's--he hadn't thought terribly much about the
subject, which seemed 'way out' to him. Then he chanced to talk to a
friend who had been stationed in England when a UFO touched down at
a military complex there, and was seen by U.S. servicemen on
duty--small creatures and all. Intrigued, Lear began asking around
and found some of his former associates in the CIA--for whom he had
flown a number of missions--willing to confirm that government
leaders knew a great deal more about UFO's...then the public was
being let on.
"Lear discovered to his utter amazement that the U.S. military
actually possessed craft (i.e. aerial craft of unknown origin - Branton), some of the vehicles were even in partially working order.
Apparently, the Americans had initially gotten their hands on
these... disk-shaped devices as far back as the late 1940's, upon
recovery of a 'saucer' that the Nazi's had somehow captured during
World War II. Apparently, some of the lethal 'death weapons' we
subsequently developed were based on facets of this (recovered)
technology.
"Furthermore, Lear believes that any number of flying discs 'fell'
into our hands when they crashed in the southwest in the late 1940's
and early 50's.
"Scattered around the various crash sites were the bodies of small
humanoid beings, the EBE's. At least one alien was found still alive
and he, along with his badly burned bodies, were flown to
Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Dayton, Ohio, home of the
infamous 'Hanger 18'; this final destination, the so-called 'Blue
Room', (is the one) which Senator Barry Goldwater has not even been
permitted to penetrate.
"Lear's scenario also includes the suspicion that the government has
made secret deals with the 'aliens', actually exchanging humans for
advanced technological data. Supposedly, the government was to be
provided with a list of those being abducted so they could maintain
a vigil over them after their experience and make sure that they
were not being harmed in any way. Unfortunately, the 'aliens' took
advantage of the situation, taking away tens of thousands for God
knows what purpose, and implanting small transmitters inside their
brains (i.e. of those who were fortunate enough to be abducted and
RETURNED - Branton) which can be activated for some sinister
'mission' at some prearranged future moment...
"According to friend and foe alike, John Lear wears a variety of
masks. Sometimes what he has to say lacks credibility, but just when
you think you've caught him with his jump suit down, evidence pops
up that what he has to say may not be so totally off the wall. For
example, others with military connections have recently come forward
to verify part of his amazing saga..."
(INPUT 002)
In late 1992, Art Bell of the CBC Radio Network (Phone #'s:
702-385-7213; 385-721; 383-8255) in it's "Talk Of The West - Coast
To Coast AM", KDWN - Las Vegas, interviewed John Lear and
Rod Madley.
The following are highlights of the subjects discussed over
the 6-hour interview period which ran well into the morning hours:
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Lear, the 49 year old Jet Pilot holds 18 world speed records,
including a speed record for round-the-world flight in the Lear Jet
in 1966. He has worked for 28 different Aircraft Corporations.
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He was initially 'turned on' to UFO research after Gen.
Gordon
Williams confirmed to him the landing of a 'grey' craft at Bentwaters AFB, England.
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According to Robert Lazar, while working at Los Alamos, N.M., he
learned that files in a restricted 'library' there revealed that
PROJECT GRUDGE (Blue Book) was still in existence as of 1988,
although it had supposedly closed down in 1949. Lazar was hired at
S-4 with the help of long time friend Dr. Edward Teller, who
referred him to EG&G. Bob's superiors stated that any revelations he
made about UFO's could only be worded as 'his opinion', whereas
DIRECT revelation would be a technical breach of his security
clearance.
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At one point John Lear and a group of investigators went out to
view and video-tape the 'disks' which Bob Lazar had said could be
seen test flying at a certain time and place. While on PUBLIC BLM
LAND the group was chased by 10
Wackenhut 4x4 'Broncos' and
apprehended. They demanded to see their identifications at (machine)
gun point. They were later hassled for about an hour by the Lincoln
Co. Sheriff's Dept.
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Indian Springs, NV., is the headquarters for all security at the
test site.
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When his superiors learned that Lazar told Lear and others of the
'test flights', they took him in and with a gun to his head demanded
to know why he did it.
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Ron Madley, a 'Cadcam' (computer design) administrator for a
Houston, TX., engineering company, refers to 'events 1-6' of NASA
shuttle films taken aboard the space shuttle DISCOVERY and others,
some of which were shown on national television in the Fall of 1992.
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According to Madley, his father Carl knew several astronauts who
stated that at EVERY SINGLE SPACE SHOT at Cape Canaveral (Kennedy)
at least one UFO was seen by either ground personnel or the
astronauts, at or just after the launch. This was confirmed by a Dr.
Gary Henderson. Carl Madley was one of the first Lear Jet pilots,
and experienced a UFO sighting which was witnessed by others wherein
he intercepted a flying disk, which played 'cat and mouse' with him
for several minutes. Afterward he was interviewed by (govt. agent)
J. Allen Hynek, who confirmed the UFO sightings by the U.S.
astronauts.
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Event 2-3 were the incidents that were broadcast publicly, and
were only a small part of the entire file. The events were recorded
by cameras mounted outside of shuttle, debunking the theory that the
'flashes' were a reflection from inside the cabin. The 'events' were
named in the order they were found when the film was studied, not
necessarily in chronological order. Event #1 was seen late one night
by a computer engineer at the Goddard Space Flight Center.
While
looking at a live picture in the 'big screen' he saw, according to Madley,
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"several little flickering lights and a larger object
pulsating towards the rear of the shuttle. The camera then panned
down into the cargo bay and after several minutes of no motion [it]
zoomed into an area of the UR satellite.
The ground controller
commented to the astronauts about Camera-D getting 'hot', and that
they could either return control of the camera over to ground
control or they could switch cameras. After a discussion ensued they
finally got control of the cameras...they panned the cameras back
and the objects were gone."
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"Events 2-4 were filmed by a man in Maryland off of a down-link
from NASA (as part of a College project). Event 2 is essentially a
night scene over the earth that occurred on Sept. 16th (1992)...
what you see as the lights on the planet at night are going around
on islands and continents... you see several small white lights that
appear on the screen.
The main event that people see in this is an
object that appears at the edge of the horizon and appears to almost
track or follow the horizon as it goes up. After several seconds of
this the object abruptly makes a right-hand turn, approximately a 45
degree angle... a very sharp turn.
And then leaves the atmosphere
apparently and goes out into space... this is the event most people
have seen... nationally... then you see what appears to be one or
two streak of laser-like objects coming from the bottom of the
screen, up and towards this object and one other that's on the right
hand side. These are fast-moving... streaks... moving much, much
faster than any of the other objects in the view."
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"Event #3 is interesting, it's a shot of the 'day' side of the
earth from high orbit... it shows a multitude... probably a couple
of dozen objects that are flying in all different directions across
the screen. Everybody that I've shown this to, and I've had the
opportunity over the past 5 months or so to show this... people
working both at Johnson Space Center in Houston, I've shown it to
people at Sandia, people at a couple of Air Force bases... and
basically their comments to me are universal, these people don't
know one another, and they'll explain: 'My God that looks like STAR
WARS!' And I said 'the Defense Program or the movie?' and they say
'the movie!'"
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"The interesting thing in event 3 we've found... is one of the
larger objects... coming from the lower left to the upper right hand
portion of the screen... as it gets about a third of the way up from
the bottom there's one of these fast moving streaks that comes in
from the right-hand side of the screen and intersects the path that
this object is on, in fact it intersects it at the exact moment that
it is in line with it, and you see what appears to be another
'piece' of either the first object or the second object break off
and start travelling off into the lower right. If the object was hit
this doesn't make any sense because the object should now be
tumbling in the other direction but it isn't.
This has led some of
the people I've shown it to suggest that perhaps the object...
ejected something... perhaps some sort of a defense maneuver. But it
does appear that something has been hit and we've caught that on
film." (Note: If the 'beam' weapons were part of the SDI 'Star Wars'
program, one might wonder HOW the 'officials' were able to tell
whether they were Hostile-Grey or Benevolent-Human occupants?
Although the 'human' occupants encountered are at times less then
friendly, they are by average far less threatening than the
'reptilian-grey' species.
Just what is the present 'official'
attitude on the Greys? HOPEFULLY this was not a case of elements in
the one- world (Illuminati) government who have been 'taken over' by
the grays, attacking a relatively 'benevolent' human group AS THEY
HAVE BEEN KNOWN TO DO IN THE PAST. Whoever the 'good guys' or 'bad
guys' are, 'us' or 'them', it is certain that a 'STAR WARS' is
actually taking place 'out there' - Branton)
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"Event #6... I went down in April to the Johnson Space Center,"
Ron Madley alleges, "the only branch of NASA that is keeping and
recording all the missions. The public and the press have a building
that they would go to at NASA for information... Fortunately I know
that the film and all the photographs are not really kept in that
building... the films are archived and kept by a PRIVATE corporation
that has contracted out to NASA on-site and they're kept in another
building at NASA..
Jim Oberg through his incompetence has been a
real help here because it was HE who actually let me know which
building it was that had all the material... I know the exact times
and days of the sequences I needed... I was getting the runaround
basically, so I thought well, the fastest way to do this... is cut
out the middle men and go directly to the source... so at this
building... where all the photo labs are, I essentially walked in
and explained what the situation was... they proceeded to let me
upstairs and into a secure room where this video was kept...
I found
the first 4 events with no problem at all, and they were pretty
incredible, I was very impressed with the quality... event 5 was
discovered and located by a man in Nebraska who was listening to his
short-wave radio and heard one of the astronauts exclaim: 'WHAT'S
THAT! WHAT IS THAT?'... In the segment of film... at the moment
where this should have been there was a JUMP in the TIME CODE and a
change in the picture... the total time was about 14 MINUTES that
was gone... I've never seen that happen before... I had gone in
fully believing NASA's explanation (i.e. that the objects were ice,
debris or the firing of 'attitude adjusters')."
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"Event 6... is a color shot over the earth in the daytime, and
for 3 seconds we see an object go from left to right across the
view... The object appears at first to rotate or flicker as it goes
across... out of the 87 frames in which the object... should be
there, there are 14 frames in which the object disappears
completely... the object stops and starts at it travels through
space, it is NOT a constant motion."
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One man working at Sandia informed Madley that event No. 6 was an
'alien craft', based on the flight performance of UFOs which they
had investigated. They showed him a film they possessed showing a
similar object.
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According to Lear, Bob Lazar stated that the alien craft could
bend the 'fabric' of space and travel at speeds exceeding that of
light. The theory stated that they could somehow 'lock on' to a
distant point in space and through some gravimetric wave
amplification 'bend' the space-time fabric and enter hyperspace, and
essentially 'be' at the distant point which they had locked on to.
The subspace travel would be instantaneous because of the zero-time
factor, and the majority of the 'time' would consist of acceleration
and deceleration of the craft.
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Madley stated that he has a copy of a NASA document that refers
to the date and times when the 'event-5' film was 'checked out' and
studied by others. It stated that 4 U.S. Representatives, including
a Dr. Pipps, studied the films on three occasions. On the first
visit Dr. Pipps referred to it as the 'lightning' film.
The second
visit to the film library (also to check out the event-5 film) was,
according to the document, in regards to a 'Congressional Inquiry',
whereas the stated purpose of the third visit was written down as a
'UFO Congressional Inquiry'. Madley stated that a Helen Bentley, a
U.S. representative from Maryland, was behind the inquiry. When
Madley tried to contact her she was not at all cooperative, although
she admitted her involvement when he pressed the issue and presented
her with the evidence (letters signed by her, etc.).
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Lear states that ONE of the reasons for the initial cover-up may
have been due to the governments inability to provide an ENTIRE
answer to the UFO question (the fear of opening up a 'Pandoras Box')
and the economic, political and especially RELIGIOUS complications
and questions that might arise as a result.
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Some of the 'Element 115' in the government's possession is in
Los Alamos and some is at the 'Test Site' according to Lear and
Lazar.
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Lear stated that some types of 'Greys' have 4 fingers with no
thumb (some with and some without 'webbing'), some have 3 fingers,
some six fingers. Some types of greys have no 'toes' but have
'sock-like' feet. 'Some' types have 'colorless' blood which does not
carry oxygen and which does not contain 'cells' as we know them.
This description came from a government surgeon known by Leonard
Stringfield who performed 'autopsies' on alien cadavers.
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Lear states that the 'greys' can manipulate a human soul (or
astral form?), remove it from it's body and do all manner of
'experiments' on them (Note: Some abductees have in fact reported
having had their spirit-astral forms 'jerked' from their physical
bodies while inside alien craft by the greys, who were sometimes
accompanied by shadow-like phantasmical or paraphysical beings -
Branton).
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The Dulce (pronounced Dul-see) base has been called "Section-4"
by some of the individuals who have formerly worked there.
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AIDS was intentionally engineered, and released through laced
smallpox vaccines in Africa, and laced hepatitis vaccines in
America, etc.
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There were several firefights with alien craft and their (grey)
occupants in Southeast Asia during the Vietnam war, many of them
reliable incidents although hushed-up by the government, "...one
that we have a lot of knowledge of is one that occurred in Cambodia,
and what was frightening to our side [who were] fighting these
[creatures] is in the disk... were parts of human beings, arms,
legs, heads, that kind of stuff."
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The host, Art Bell, mentioned an incident which was reported to
him that allegedly involved a drilling project not far from the
'Test Site' and 'Area 51'... "and they got down 2000 feet plus, the
story goes, and began to bring up human flesh, fresh flesh and
bones..." (Note: this is not the only story of it's kind. One older
account involved a drill bit that broke into 'empty space' somewhere
in North America, exact area uncertain, and pulled up flesh and hair
from what appeared to be a hairy animal or humanoid creature - Branton).
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The 'Horrible Truth' became evident to the Government during the
'Dulce' incident, when our very top, TOP scientific staff were
killed. Due to the former false views of the alien question which
had been reinforced by the 'grays' themselves, the government had
commissioned a guarded release of information concerning the
seemingly non-threatening gray-aliens... that was BEFORE the
so-called 'Dulce Wars' broke out.
Because of the way information
seeps down from the higher to the lower echelons they were unable to
prevent Spielberg--and others who had been commissioned or inspired
to make movies or documentaries about 'friendly' little aliens--from
producing their warped version of the greys, the abductions, etc.
Lear believes that the reason Linda M. Howe's project [involving
MJ-12's release of information] came to a mysterious halt about the
same time the 'Horrible Truth' or the 'Grand Deception' was
discovered, was probably due of those revelations.
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Lear referred to a video describing the whole Robert Lazar story
and related information on the 'bases', etc., which is available
from Tri-dad., 1324 S. Eastern., Las Vegas, Nevada 89104.
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One of the technical 'marvels' that Bob Lazar allegedly saw at
the test site was a generator the size of a small ice chest that put
out a tremendous amount of energy (in the '100 megawatt' range).
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There is one top-secret weapon the U.S. government has developed
which is so devastating that there are 'certain alien groups' that
are trying to suppress it.
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One caller who allegedly held a 'Q' clearance confirmed--via a
friend of his with an even higher 'Cosmo' clearance who worked at
the Nevada Military Complex--that 'two' alien groups contacted the
government.
One was human-like and offered to help us with our
spiritual-social development but refused to give the government
technology - the government refused their offer; and the next was
the 'Greys' which offered technology in exchange for the government
keeping their existence secret from the public, etc.
According to
John Lear the second group turned out to be LIARS and did not
deliver the technology [or installed it only in so-called 'joint'
underground bases which THEY controlled. The main source of U.S.
government technology apparently came from crashed disks (mostly
'grey'), some of which were blown out of the sky by the U.S.
military].
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Wickenberg, Arizona is an apparent site of an underground base,
'abduction' activity, etc. The government allegedly took control of
a mine in the area some years ago.
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Earlier in the century 1 in 40 citizens reportedly experienced
'abductions'. As of the early 1990's the figures are closer to 1 in
10, according to Lear.
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There are 'tunnels' and base complexes that connect China Lake,
California City, Norton AFB, Edwards AFB, Tonopah, Groom Lake,
Nevada Test Site, Los Alamos, Dulce, Norad, Oklahoma and to the
East. Lear spoke of a friend whose father was or is a hydraulic
engineer on the tunnel digging machines which are 28 ft. in
diameter.
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Lear stated that he got within one week of interviewing a man who
allegedly worked in the 'base' on Mars, before he 'disappeared'.
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Reference to possible 'alien' influence behind the Trilateral
Commission and the 'New World Order' as well as Adolph Hitler's
Third Reich.
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Reference to 'Casey & Associates' in Seattle, Wa., founded by an
individual who was involved with several top 'government' programs,
and his knowledge of the secret governments intended use of mass
genocide as a means of population control.
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There are apparently two types of entities which have gone by the
name of 'THE ORANGE': 1) A human like type with (reddish) orange
hair; and 2) a reptilian type.
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One woman called in reference to an underground base at the Palloma Ranch 50 miles west of Phoenix (where she lived), which was
located near the world's largest nuclear power plant. Much of the
plant is underground and utilizes 'migrant' workers in underground
installations. She allegedly heard that there was an underground
connection between this facility and the 'La Palloma' ranch in
California.
She also referred to 'patients' at a hospital where she
worked who spoke of 'people with lasers' that had chased them
through several states, one of the patients was in a very bad
condition, had a high temperature, etc. One being came into the unit
in a long white coat trying to pass itself off as a doctor and
talked to the woman and a fellow worker 'through telepathy' and
'told' them if they pursued it they 'would be dead.' Before 7 A.M.
the two patients were removed from the hospital.
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3000 feet below the Test Site there is allegedly a huge cavern
which can hold 25,000 combat troops, and 500 feet above that there
is allegedly another area which can hold 500 officers. Many of the
bases were excavated by 'clean' nuclear explosions.
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Lear refers to evidence that intense conflict exists between at
least two of the alien species (the two most common, the 'Nordics'
and the 'Greys'?).
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Attacks by the 'greys' on people while in the dream state, via
electronic or radionic rays.
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Reference to a 'lattice resonator' allegedly captured in an
underground base in the Hartz mountains of Germany in 1945.
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How the aliens use cold fusion in order to 'pack' the molecules
into tight and seemingly impenetrable forms, as part of the
construction of alien craft 'hulls'.
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According to Bob Lazar the greys are 'terrified' of the human
race, possibly explaining why they're so intent on hiding their true
nature from the masses.
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Reference to an underground base near Ft. Huachuca, Arizona.
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One woman told of a conversation that was 'overhead' between two
older men. Part of the conversation included the statement that they
had to get back to 'their space station'.
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EMS - Emergency Broadcasting System hardware used to manipulate
human behavior.
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Suppression of information by MUFON and other large 'infiltrated'
UFO organizations.
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'Crop Circle' phenomena in 27 countries.
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Military test craft capable of mach 5 to 15.
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The so-called 'Locust' or 'Preying Mantis' type entities seen
with the saurian greys during encounters.
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Strange underground drilling and mechanical noises heard under
Sierra, California and throughout the Rocky Mountains, etc.
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Update on Current Events
A Public Briefing given by John Lear
May 14,1990 in Las Vegas,
Nevada
What I'm going to do today is just bring you up to date on some of
the stuff that I know that's going on. Obviously, if you came here
today, you know that what they call the "phenomenon" is real - it's
going on. It's very frightening. I don't have to convince anybody
here about what's going on, so instead of going through the usual
background of all of this, I'll just start off with a list of what's
been happening in the last six months - the stuff that I know that's
going on.
To start with, I'd like to start with the issue of missing children.
If anyone was at the Bud Hopkins talk at the Spring Valley Library,
you will remember that Bud has always made a point of saying:
"My field is abductions, that's all I do, I don't get into any of
the other research, I'm not qualified on it, I haven't done the
research and so I just stick with abductions. By the way, the Meier
case was a fraud; the Adamski case was a fraud; there's no missing
children; and Bob Lazar is a fraud."
Bud's a nice guy but he speaks of things that he doesn't know
anything about. The Adamski case WAS true. I know it because I
talked with the CIA guy that went down to interview him. he was down
there for a couple of days and they told him enough that there's no
doubt that Adamski had all the experiences that he talked about.
As far as
the Meier case, when I first got into what they call
"UFOlogy", I was told that the Meier case was a fraud, the pictures
were faked, etc. I really believed that, and on one of the first
George Knapp interviews that I did I said that the Meier case was a
fraud. After about a year, I started checking around to make sure I
was on firm ground. I called all the guys I knew in the field and
asked them what their best evidence was that Meier was a fraud.
They
would say things like, Oh, uh somebody else said that. Then you
trace it further and no one seemed to know who was the one that
started it. There was a lot of talk that the photos were hoaxed and
that he had models in his garage.... the bottom line is that there
was no evidence that it was a fraud. In fact, Lazar worked on a
machine identical to one of the craft in the Meier photos.
As far as Lazar is concerned, Hopkins said don't believe what
government scientists tell you. I have been involved in the Lazar
case for about two years and there's no question in my mind that
everything he says happened up there actually happened. There are a
number of things that happened to him that we're not telling the
public, and with good reason. First of all, they wouldn't believe
it, and secondly it would not really add that much more to the case.
Bud was on a little shaky ground there. As far as the missing
children issue is concerned - Hopkins, in order to prove his case,
looked around the audience at the Spring Valley Library (about 250
people) and asked: "Does anybody here know of a missing child?" Of
course, no one raised their hand and he said, "I rest my case."
That's patently ridiculous. There are quite a number of missing
children.
There's an interesting book out called "A Good Night's
Story". I heard about it from Bob Oechsler, head of the MUFON
section in Maryland, and the story is printed like a children's book
and it's about children being abducted. Copies are going into every
library and school. It has nothing to do with aliens or anything,
but if child abductions is not a big problem, why the wide
distribution of the book? There is a telephone number that you can
call to order the book, 1-800-444-BLUE. I don't know what's behind
it.
I'd like to talk a little about Dulce. The question is: "Is this
true, does Dulce exist?" I like to have four independent
confirmations about whatever I look into. The fourth confirmation
came in several months ago from an aerospace engineer who worked for
the Air Force, mainly in designing aircraft and rockets. He was
deeply involved in the Space Shuttle program. He said - yes, that in
fact
he had been at Dulce, that it exists.
He visited the facility
for something other than genetic engineering. The name that he knew
it by was "Section B". So Dulce does exist. About six months ago,
Gabe Valdez' brother found some of the above ground ventilation
shafts for the base on the top of Mount Archuleta. They were going
to wait until the snow clears, which is just about now, before
attempting to investigate further.
I understand that the ducts were
rectangular, horizontal, and about 30 feet wide. One of the guys
that worked on the Meier video did some very sophisticated frequency
analysis of the area and he said:
"Whatever is under there puts out
energy of a city the size of New York."
There's just all kinds of
stuff going on under there. That's the update on Dulce.
As far as the Greys are concerned,
there are all types of Greys.
They are definitely cybernetic organisms . They are not a "species"
themselves. They work for someone else. There are several different
levels of them. There are many instances that indicate that they
don't function independently by themselves. They operate from higher
orders.
In one particular abduction case, somebody had grabbed one and by
the movements of the arms they could see that the Gray had been
programmed to fend off an attack by moving its arms in a certain
way. All it really had to do was turn around and back away. It
points out that they are being programmed.
I would like to cover the incident where the astronauts were
supposed to have said that they had an alien spaceship in visual
contact. Apparently after very thorough research by Bob Oechsler and
his group in Maryland, it turns out that this transmission was sent
from a 12 square mile area which included CIA headquarters and the
NSA facility at Fort George Meade.
Apparently it was a test of some
kind to see "if the public would bite". I really don't know what it
was, but that's the area that it was sent from. It was a very
sophisticated transmission. It was Blaha's voice, but it was not
coming from the Discovery. I thought that was interesting.
I would like to briefly talk about
Bill Cooper. George Knapp did a
very brutal 20 minutes about Cooper. There are a number of things
that are very suspicious about Bill, but I would like to tell you
that I believe that Bill Cooper did have access to information in
1973 when he was in the Navy, and that the information did include
some information about some of the dealings with the aliens.
It was
my understanding when I first met Bill, that when he was stationed
at Pearl Harbor he had the key to a classified area. He would go in
there at night and read some of these briefings. That's what he told
me. Later on, he started saying that he was part of an intelligence
briefing team. I don't think he was; at least that's not what he
told me. Also, in the beginning he limited his verification of what
I was saying by saying "Look, I can only support 50% of what you're
saying".
It later became 150%. Nothing is black or white - it's all
shades of Gray. Cooper did have access to some information in 1973,
but not as much as he would like you to believe he did. You can take
that for what it's worth. He has done some very strange things. He
has threatened me on at least four occasions. He thinks that I'm
with the "Agency" and involved in disinformation, so that's his
deal.
The other day, a guy came up to my house who was out in the forest
with Charles Halt the very first night of the Bentwaters incident
that something landed. There was a rectangular object that landed,
and he actually jumped on top of it. He said he could look down
inside the object . He has never made any public statement at all .
I never thought that I would ever get to meet him. He did in fact
confirm that the incident did in fact happen.
As far as an update on AIDS is concerned, AIDS was developed by the
Navy in 1972. The specific doctor that developed it was a doctor by
the name of R. M. Donner. The initial AIDS research was financed by
Congress. July 1, 1969 is when they had the hearings.
This is a copy
of the DOD appropriations report for 1970. It was chaired by Robert
Sykes. The testimony reveals exactly what they wanted - a biological
virus for which there was no known immunity. They finally got it
developed in 1972 and started doing experiments. The biggest
experiment was in 1977/78 when they released it in Africa, which is
now 100% infected. In the United States, in 1978/79 AIDS was
released to the white male homosexual population through the
Hepatitis B vaccine.
The reason they wanted to start with the white
male homosexual population was that they wanted to get it to spread
very quickly, and they thought that people would not worry about it
if they thought that only drug abusers or homosexuals were involved.
That's what happened. The Navy goal WAS to infect 75% of the world's
population by April of 1991. Those are from top classified
government documents.
What's interesting is that by the present rate
of infection, 75% of the population will not be infected by the
April 91 target, so what we're looking at is other ways the
government may have of spreading this disease. I am kind of happy I
don't live in California, where those helicopters are flying up and
down spraying for the Medfly.
Whitley Streiber - I heard the other day that he's become a recluse,
that he's destroyed emotionally by the reception of "Communion" and
his second book "Majestic" - even though it's an excellent book and
I would recommend it to anyone who wants a good outline on what the
Government did in 1941 when they recovered the saucer at Roswell.
It's an excellent book. One of the interesting things about the book
is the two autopsy reports in the back. They are absolutely the
truth. I don't know where he got those - the original reports about
the two aliens. Whitley used to call me all the time in the middle
of the night and chat for two or three hours up until about a year
ago.
A little more about Bob Oechsler. Oechsler has done a lot of
research in the Chesapeake Bay area. There's really something big
going on there. Basically, it appears the HQ of
MJ-12 is back on
Kent Island or somewhere back there. A lot of EMP research and
engineering is going on. A lot of underground activity - all kinds
of stuff. What's interesting is that about a year ago he ran into
Admiral Inman, who is supposedly one of the MJ-12 members.
Bob
stopped him and asked to be put in touch with somebody in MJ-12.
Inman took Bob's card and looked at him with kind of a half smile
and said, "let me see what I can do."
About 6 months later he called
and set up a meeting for Oechsler to go and see General Stafford,
who is head of some kind of organization at the Pentagon. Oechsler
went to see him and went down some ramps under the Pentagon and into
this one corridor where he was required to walk through what he
thought was a metal detector, but when he walked through it he felt
real dizzy and walked in Stafford's office still kind of reeling
from this thing. He asked Stafford, "what in the world was that?".
Stafford said, "Don't worry about it, I had a headache for six weeks
after first going through that thing."
Bob had a lot of strange
things happen to him. Supposedly in September 90, there is going to
be another release of government information about UFOs or aliens.
Here we go again. Supposedly Oechsler's going to be a part of it.
Supposedly they're going to show a saucer and a dead body. I've
heard that so many times I don't believe it.
Oechsler is supposedly
being briefed on some of the things the government is doing. He was
sent down to Ellington AFB near Houston and shown a government
research laboratory that we have down there that was 40 feet long,
20 feet wide and it was a zero gravity chamber. It had a very bright
light at the top and everybody was floating.
Oechsler is not quite
sure where this lab is. He was taken there in a black helicopter
that did not look like any of the helicopters we have in inventory.
It was very smooth and looked like it was molded in one piece.
Oechsler said that it sounded like a helicopter until it was 25 feet
off the ground and then there was dead silence. He didn't hear a
thing. He estimates that it was near Pensacola where there was a
large platform and a number of buildings. He was taken into the
building and shown the primary SDI facility, which was a great big
room, and suspended on the ceiling was a 25'x25' three dimensional
video "presentation".
On it was represented the southeastern portion
of the United States and then there was a grid pattern that came up
to what was represented as 300,000 feet. There were "vortexes"
represented here and there in the gridwork. There were little dots
labeled "ASC's". We don't know what that means. You could see
flights of some type enter these "vortex" areas and apparently go
underground, but if one went down in a different area, it would
split up into eight blips. Interesting.
There were only men in
there, no women. Everybody had on black pants with a white shirt
buttoned up to the collar with a tie. No one smiled. Oechsler
doesn't know what the place was. He was just shown it and given no
other information. He tried to get in touch with General Stafford
after that, but so far no luck.
The aerospace engineer that I spoke of confirmed that Dulce existed
and that
we do have a base on the Moon. I have several other sources
that confirm the base on the Moon. They go there regularly. I don't
know what they do there, but it does exist. He also confirmed the
existence of the base on Mars. It's already there.
I have come up with some information during the past month about the
Challenger accident from an individual who has worked at Cape
Kennedy for a number of years. Apparently, the Challenger was blown
up by the Russians. It was a KGB unit that did it. They did it using
11 Libyans who had access to the protected areas. An explosive
charge was put on the strut that held the SRB to the main fuel tank
and it ignited, banging the SRB against the fuel tank.
It was the
only launch where all the Russian trawlers pulled out several
hundred miles into the ocean away from the Cape. There was also a
video and radio link that was held aloft by a balloon, and the night
before the launch the cable was cut so they couldn't get any
pictures on launch day of the SRB strut area.
There were also a
number of other things that happened. Apparently, the Soviet
Chernobyl incident was caused by the United States in retaliation
for the Challenger incident. Now I am looking into that, and I will
let you know what I find out.
I went to a very interesting talk by Bill Hamilton, who's here
tonight, and after the talk we went on a very interesting mission to
check out the Lockheed skunk works near Los Angeles. This skunk
works has done a lot of secret work. As you've read in the papers,
they're moving Lockheed to Georgia to do a lot of the work down
there.
They are also closing down the plant at Burbank, saying that
they are going to move it down to Palmdale, but we think they are
moving operations to the Tehachapi mountain area, where there
already is an underground facility in the western portion of the
Antelope Valley. There was a lot of activity going on there.
We
think that saucer craft are being produced at this underground
facility using other types of technology. Bill is here today and
brings the information that the silo doors at this so-called
"Tehachapi Ranch" have been seen to open and a saucer shaped craft
has flown out of it. I would have liked to have seen that Sunday
night.
The other day I was over Bob Lazar's house and we were looking
through a classified book on nuclear bomb technology up until 1960,
and we were discussing how many bombs have been exploded in space.
Up until 1960 there were at least four. The first one was in August
1958 and was called TEAK. It was a hydrogen bomb exploded 252,000
feet over Johnston Island.
What's interesting about this is that I
don't think we had that kind of "capability" in those days of
launching things like that. I took out my Jane's "All the World's
Spacecraft" and went back and found out that after Sputnik was
launched we had (as far as the public was concerned) quite an effort
to get something up there ourselves. That was the Redstone and
Vanguard rockets. It turns out that the first launch was successful
but every one after that failed.
We just couldn't get anything off
the ground. All that stuff was just a ruse, because a year later we
were launching hydrogen bombs over Johnston Island that weighed two
tons. The public was told that we couldn't even get a three pound
object into space. Apparently there was a classified launch facility
in the Pacific.
With regard to the South African incident, it appears that it was a
hoax perpetrated by James Van Gruenen, who has a history of hoaxes.
We don't know what the final outcome was. Van Gruenen even offered
one producer a chance to meet an alien from the "Space Council".
This producer contacted me and I told him to check Van Gruenen's
background.
I got a call from Linda Howe a couple days ago, and she told me that
there was a discussion by Vice President Quayle about reorienting
the SDI toward shooting down an incoming asteroid, and that it was
in a paper. She's supposed to send me the article. What is
interesting is that we've heard this story for the last two or three
years about an incoming asteroid. It's obviously under intelligent
control. It's putting out radio emissions.
Supposedly it's on the
edge of the solar system now, heading this way. I have at least
three confirmations that it does exist. The code name is supposedly
"Wormwood". One of the confirmations came from a friend of a guy in
the CIA. They were out one night and the CIA guy was drinking
heavily and was very depressed. His friend asked him what the matter
was, asking "Is it the thing that is coming in from space?"
The
agency guy dropped his glass and said, "How do you know about that?"
That's one of them. If we are reorienting SDI in that way, that
opens a lot of questions about what is going on.
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