But, Ingo and Pat Price had done some remote viewing of this
facility in Alaska. And, at one time, one of the agencies had picked
up Ingo and invited him to go with them, and took him up to this
facility, near this facility in Alaska.
Martin: We’re talking about an
underground facility?
Dean: We’re talking about an underground facility. Now, our people
were never able to get into it, but they were able to get close to
it. And this has all been brought out in Ingo’s book. He’s written
one hell of a book, called
Penetration. And it’s a book you would do
well to read, if you ever get some time. I know you’re busy. But
Ingo has come right out and laid a lot of it on the line. So, we’ve
got a major facility in Alaska that was remote viewed, not only by
Ingo, but by Pat Price, before he died. And Pat had a rate of
accuracy that was about 85-90 percent.
Martin: Did they have any sense of which “group” that was?
Dean: No, apparently they didn’t grasp which group. Now, this is a
great subject of, you know, you can discuss this now and forever, of
who’s who.
Martin: The Greys, the Reptilians, etc.
Dean: Well, yeah.
Now, there’s a word that I have to bring up at this time.
Are you familiar with old
Zecharia Sitchin’s work?
Martin: All of it.
Dean: Ok. The name Anunnaki keeps coming up again and again and
again.
And the Anunnaki was the name of the group that, apparently,
came
here the first time, and the ones who genetically engineered us, and
the ones who were present on our planet for several thousands of
years. Now, the Anunnaki, apparently, are from the
planet Nibiru,
which we have discovered, again. Are you familiar with that?
Martin: Yes.
Dean: Alright. Robert
Harrington, before he died,
the Chief Astronomer at the
Naval Observatory, literally
called Sitchin in for an
interview, and told Sitchin:
“You know, Mr. Sitchin, I’ve
been fascinated by your
work. And one of the things
that I wanted to chat with
you about is, we’ve
discovered the 10th planet;
all we have to do is name it.
We have no doubt that it’s
there.”
And Sitchin says: “It’s
already been named. The Anunnaki named it a long time ago. It’s
their home.”
Anyhow, the 10th planet figures prominently in this because it
appears to be making its way back into the center part of our
system. It’s on that enormously long orbit that it’s on.
Martin: 3600 years, is it?
Dean: 3600 years. And, apparently, it’s been seen, it’s been
photographed, and is on it’s way back into the center of the system.
Now, there is one of the things that is going to blow the lid off of
this whole subject.
Martin: That—the 10th planet—is going to be a frontpage feature
story here in The SPECTRUM at some point following this
ET story.
Dean: Listen, the presence and the reality of
the 10th planet, that
has been photographed by astronomers in Argentina already, exactly
where Harrington said it would be seen and photographed
first—because it comes out of a constellation that is seen only,
primarily, out of the southern hemisphere.
You see, when we’re dealing with “Who are they?”, I have a feeling
that the Anunnaki are major players. They may not be the ONLY group,
because we know that there are other groups out there. But the
Anunnaki, who look like us, who had a hand in creating us, or at
least jumping us up, genetically, into what we are, have been major
players in this thing, Rick, for a very long time, from the very
beginning.
So, when you try to say, “Who’s on first here?”—
Martin: [Laughter]
Dean: —I keep thinking that it’s not really that easy to do, because
the Anunnaki have been, from the beginning, one of the major
players.
Martin: We keep hearing about the Pleiadians,
the Arcturians, the Sirians.
Dean: And I don’t buy into all of that. You know, there are a lot of
people who, supposedly—what do they call it?
Martin: Channel.
Dean: They get into these states and they channel. There may be a
great deal of truth to some of it, but I’m a little bit dubious. I
guess I was trained to be cautious.
Martin: Sure.
Dean: So, I don’t buy into all of that.
I know this: when I retired in ’76, intelligence agencies knew that
there were, at least, a dozen different groups. And, you know, there
could be as many as a hundred, for God’s sake. The “quarantine” is
being lifted, slowly. We’ve been under quarantine for a long time.
Martin: Our planet?
Dean: Our planet, yeah. And I think when the
quarantine is being
lifted, we may end up encountering hundreds of advanced
civilizations out there. I mean, I’m convinced, Rick, the universe
is literally teeming with intelligent life.
Martin: Sure it is. How could it not be?
Dean: It’s a massive,
infinite—well, the word infinite just about says it.
Martin: Unlimited.
Dean: Unlimited, exactly. I’m convinced that intelligence of every
development, every level, from Stone Age, right up to the top,
exists out there. So, anyhow, when you say, “Who’s who?”, it’s
difficult to say. I have a feeling that the major bases are probably
operated by the Anunnaki because they are the ones who have been
here from the beginning of our history. We learned that there’s one
in Africa, deep underground, in what used to be
Rhodesia. I think
it’s Zimbabwe, now.
There’s another one in the mountains of
Southern France, Northern
Spain, that’s been there for a very long time.
I’m trying to think of some of the other locations. Oh, this is
interesting. There, apparently, according to Pat Price and Ingo
Swan, there is a massive extraterrestrial facility, underground, in
the center of Australia, very, very close to one of our major
NSA
[National Security Agency] facilities.
Martin:
Pine Gap.
Dean:
Pine Gap, yeah. I have a nagging suspicion we probably built
Pine Gap where we did because of the location of the
extraterrestrial facility. So, when you say “underground”—
Martin: Well, I’m talking, also, about the
Underground Railroad, the
magnetic-levitation high-rail system.
Dean: We built a great deal of
that. I’ll tell you a story, and you know, you get me started and
it’s hard to shut me up.
Martin: I don’t want to shut you up. We’ve got lots of time.
Dean: I went to school at Camp Mercury, some years ago. Are you
familiar with where that is?
Martin: I don’t have a clue.
Dean: Camp Mercury is in Nevada. It’s our original atomic test site.
When I was working at FEMA, I was sent off to school at
Camp
Mercury, for a time. I was involved in radiological emergency
accident response, and we had a series of courses that were taught,
up there, by the Department of Energy.
So I went to school at
Mercury. And while I was there, we were
several weeks in the course, and we used to spend the weekends there
at the Camp, because the only other place to go was expensive, and
that was Vegas. And I’m not a gambler, and I don’t chase the ladies
that much. So, a lot of us would stay at Camp Mercury for the
weekend, and we’d get a chance to talk in the dining room with a
bunch of the old construction guys who were working for the
Department of Energy, who were tunnel diggers. And they were digging
tunnels all over the damn place for the underground tests.
You know, we signed the
Test-Ban Treaty, so we wouldn’t pop anymore
stuff on the surface, with the Russians. And so, we were digging
these enormous underground facilities and we were popping nukes
underneath.
These guys used to tell some of the damnedest stories about how they
were digging these massive underground facilities. The technology
was a lot farther advanced than most people realized. They had had
machinery, first of all, that they had built, and they bought a lot
of it from the Swiss, who had been foremost in this research for
many years, of tunnel-digging. They had things that could go down
and go into the ground and dig tunnels that were unbelievable—40
feet in diameter tunnels, all over the damn place! This was back in
1978-79, when I was going to school there.
The state-of-the-art of tunnel building was far beyond anything
anybody had understood, and I knew, from being in FEMA, that we had
had underground facilities all over the East. We had Camp Weather,
which we had built back East, there in Maryland. Underground places
in case of a nuclear war, and some of these facilities were
unbelievably refined and sophisticated.
Well, these guys who were building the tunnels were talking about,
and they were proud of, their work. They said that the one thing
they had always gotten excited about, that they had never gotten any
answers for, is that while they were digging a deep tunnel, one
time, there at Camp Mercury, near
Area 51, interestingly
enough—because 51 used to be just an extension of Camp Mercury. And
that’s something a lot of people don’t know, that the old infamous
Area 51 was simply one extension of the original atomic test site.
Anyhow, these guys were drilling their tunnels one day, with their
machinery and all, and they ran into another tunnel system that they
had not built! This tunnel system was so damned sophisticated, and
so unbelievably beyond anything that they could do, that they
wondered “Who the hell built this?”
They told their superiors about it, and said:
“Look, we’d like to
take a jeep and get down there, and take some water and lights, and
get into this damn tunnel and find out where it goes, and find out
who the hell built it.” And the superiors said: “Stay the hell out
of that!”
Martin: [Laughter]
Dean: “Don’t go any further into that. Leave it alone.” And,
apparently, they closed-up their access to that particular tunnel.
These guys were talking about it, and they said: “This was better
than anything we’ve ever built. This was so sophisticated, the walls
were slick and shiny; they almost reflected light like a mirror. And
these tunnels went, apparently, on for miles and miles, and they
wanted to find out where they went, and where they started, and who
built them. And the superiors, the “authorities” in the Department
of Energy, said: “Stay the hell out of those, and don’t even mention
them again.”
So, what we’re looking at here, we’re looking at, I think, our
tunnels builders ran into one of “their” tunnels. I think that our
tunnel builders hit one of those alien facilities, deep underground
in Nevada. Well, there are rumors, and I just don’t like talking
about rumors unless I’ve got a little bit more information to
verify. But I think that’s part of the bigger picture. Not only have
we built facilities all over the damn place, we’ve even got some
underground facilities here in Sedona, Arizona which might interest
you.
Martin: Out in Boynton Canyon, or where?
Dean: There are rumors
about that particular canyon, and a question rises: “Why is it that
no one is allowed to go up into some of these canyons?”
Martin: Well, I’ve been all the way back into
Boynton. I used to
live in Sedona, back in ’87. I know exactly what you’re talking
about, and I felt it at the time. In fact, I was close with people
who were asked to leave, who were very prominent channels. In fact,
they were escorted out.
Dean: You know, I’m an old soldier. I spent
27 years paying my dues, and I resent the fact of running into guys
in black uniforms, with no identification. You don’t know who the
hell they are, and they don’t identify themselves. All we know is
that they’re heavily weaponed, and they’ve got the gall to tell
people—normal guys walking around and looking and taking pictures
and such—“Get the hell out of here and stay away.” I’ve never had
that happen to me, but I’m afraid that, if I were to run into that
sort of thing, there would probably be some newspaper headlines.
Martin: [Laughter]
Dean: Because this old bastard would probably get himself shot. And,
you know, I don’t take it easily when someone starts ordering me
around, with a gun in my face, particularly if I don’t know who they
are.
Martin: I firmly believe there is a major base in
Boynton
Canyon.
Dean: There very well may be. You know, the average taxpayer,
Rick,
hasn’t the slightest idea what the hell is going on. But, anyhow,
here in the Sedona area, we’re dealing with some of OUR stuff.
Martin: Is that where you are now?
Dean: I am here in
Sedona, looking out at Thunder Mountain.
Martin: By any chance did you get to hear Zecharia last weekend?
Dean: I was at the conference.
Martin: I’m sorry, I found out about it at the last minute. I sure
would have been there had I been given more advance notice.
Dean: I’ve known
Zecharia for years, and I try to listen to him
every time he speaks. The old codger gets very cagey, and he didn’t
really tell us too much this weekend. His new book is coming out. It
will be out, probably, in January. So, he’s setting up a conference
in, I think, Los Angeles, where he’s not only going to release the
new book but, hopefully, going to release a lot information that
he’s come up with.
Rick, if we’ve all got Anunnaki genes and bloodlines in us, the
entire human race, to an extent, I think, have got Anunnaki blood in
us. We ALL have some Anunnaki blood, and I suspect that we’ve all
got Reptilian blood, because I think there is a strong Reptilian
strain in the Anunnaki genetic bloodline.
Martin: Along this underground subject, let me mention a couple of
things to you and see what it triggers in you. Two-and-a-half years
ago, I did a four-and-a-half hour interview, if you can believe that,
long distance, on the phone, with the Zulu shaman
Credo Mutwa.
Dean:
Oh, Mutwa!
Martin: And I’m going to use part of that in this story [later, in
Part III] because so much of what he said in that interview is so
important. We did a front-page story on it at the time.
Dean: He is a brilliant man.
Martin: He is a very brilliant man. I’m looking at some of his
interview now. He talked about Rhodesia and Zimbabwe,
specifically
that place, and he was specifically referring to them [the aliens]
as the Chitauli. Now, those were the Reptilian beings, and he
described some Greys, as well, so-called Greys. It’s interesting
that, as you’re talking, it overlaps with what Credo was saying, a
couple of years ago in a conversation.
Dean: I’ve never had the
honor to meet Credo. I hope he’s still alive and well. I’ve heard
that his health is not good.
Martin: His health is not good. He has severe diabetes, but he is
alive still. He’s an amazing man.
David Icke calls him the most
intelligent man he’s ever met, which is quite a statement.
Dean: Yeah, that is. I know that
Credo and John Mack are good
friends.
Martin: Well, for Credo to talk about these things was potent. I
knew, at least an hour into the conversation, that this guy couldn’t
tell a lie if his life depended on it.
Dean: I would give anything
to have access to some of your interview with Credo.
Martin: Oh, I’ll mail you the whole thing.
Dean: Would you?
Martin: Oh, sure.
Dean: That would be wonderful, because I do respect him and I’ve
followed him and John Mack’s research, together. They spent some
time together. I would love to know more because I respect the man,
and I don’t think he has lied about anything, to anyone.
Martin: Oh, no. In fact, so many things that he’s said—I’ve done two
interviews with him over the last two and a half years—and
everything that he says just checks out; there’s nothing that
doesn’t.
Dean: He’s had some very unsavory experiences with some of these
people.
Martin: Yes, he has had some traumatic experiences.
Dean: And there
are those who are involved with this thing that are, you know—this
is one of the groups, I don’t know specifically who the hell we’re
talking about. I don’t want to just say “the Reptilians” because
there may be two or three branches of Reptilians.
Martin: Right. And
David talks about that, too. How would WE know?
Dean: They don’t hate us, but they sure don’t respect us, as a
species. And every time that somebody like Credo has an experience
with them, I mean, it’s traumatic as hell. They don’t seem to worry
about whether they’re going to imprint any trauma on us, or fear;
they just do what they’re doing, and do it for their own damn
purposes, and to hell with it.
Martin: Right.
Dean: And that’s the problem with an “advanced” species. And, do you
see? Man can learn something from that, because we, ourselves, have
that same characteristic, Rick.
Martin: I believe that; I’ve seen that.
Dean: We get smart-ass, and we get wealthy, and we get powerful. We
tend to look down on people who aren’t, whether they’re Black,
whether they’re Yellow, Brown, or whatever, if they’re different
from us. We don’t seem to care very much about whether our contact
with them is going to be traumatic, or not. I mean, they do what
they’re damn well going to do, and to hell with it. We’ve got some
“off-worlders”, I think, who feel the same way. It’s not all goody
plum plum up there.
There’s an old, ancient saying that I’ve always believed in, and
that is: “As above, so below.”
Martin: Absolutely right.
Dean: And, I think, what we see on our planet here is, pretty much,
what you’ve got “out there”. As I’ve said, the evidence seems to be
that the embargo has been lifted, the quarantine has been lifted.
And a lot of them are coming and going, and some of them are not
that nice. But we have to make ourselves face the reality that this
is a much bigger picture than most people even dream about. Most
people don’t even want to confront the idea of extraterrestrial
presence, let alone confront the idea that there are innumerable
races out there, and some of them are not very nice. Well, all we
have to do is read our history and we’ll find that there is an
enormous amount of information there.
Martin: I’m reading a section here that’s going to be part of this
article [in a later installment], and it is a section taken out of a
book that was out of print for 20 years, now in print, called
The Hab Theory, by
Allan W. Eckert. He’s
written 39 books, and has been nominated for Pulitzers, a very
prolific man.
He writes about an Ecuadorian discovery of a series of 500-foot-deep
tunnels. This was discovered 150 miles south of Quito, in the
Province of Santiago, in the Ecuadorian Andes, a 1965 discovery. And
it talks about a series of tunnels, at 500-foot depths, radiating
outward, and in those tunnels were discovered metallic plates, if
you will, which had to be deciphered. Those have been shutdown by
the government; there is no access. But apparently there is a lot of
gold, and things like that down there, as well as written history.
But it’s that kind of thing that gets you thinking.
There was another discovery here, that I will also be
including later in this story, having to do with a region in
China, and something called
the Dropa stones.
Dean: Oh, yeah.
Martin: I don’t know if
you’re familiar with that?
Dean: I am.
Martin: It’s the same
kind of thing. Now, are
these tunnels all connecting
throughout the entire world?
Dean: You know, I
wouldn’t be a bit surprised.
Martin: And WHO are
“they”?
Dean: This planet has
been, literally, a laboratory,
a research laboratory, for a
variety of different reasons,
from the beginning of recorded history. Not only has it become a
genetic laboratory, a biological laboratory, because the human race
is an incredibly rich gene-pool in itself. There have been races
coming and going, tapping into this and experimenting with us, but
they’ve been digging minerals, and doing research here for,
literally, millennia, long before we ever began to record our
history. So, I wouldn’t be a bit surprised that there are deep
underground systems that, literally, link one continent to another.
I know this: there is enormous traffic under the surface of the
water, in the oceans. I learned that from kids in naval research in
anti-submarine warfare.
Martin: You’re talking about the so-called
Atmospherians?
Dean: We’ve got guys who are underground; we’ve got guys under the
surface of the water; and then the skies are, literally, filled with
them.
So, nothing would surprise me, Rick, honest to God. I’m 73; nothing
would surprise me anymore. That explains a little bit of where I’ve
been, and what I’ve learned. Nothing, literally, would surprise me
anymore.
Martin: Another thing that we will be running in the first
part of this story [in last month’s November issue] is Phil
Schneider’s last speech.
Dean: Oh, I’d like to hear that.
Martin: That was before they took him out in ’96. And Phil Schneider
writes about
the Dulce Wars, and the
underground base at Dulce,
New
Mexico. Now, again, do we just generally broad-stroke and say those
are the Greys, working for the Reptilians? Or don’t we even go
there?
Dean: Well, it’s hard to go there because I can’t provide you
any real information that I would say is absolutely accurate. I hate
to say anything to you that I haven’t learned, first hand, from my
own experience.
Martin: That’s why we’re talking.
Dean: I know, and I appreciate your approach. And I hope you
appreciate mine. I’ll tell you a lot of what I think I know, and
what I’ve learned, but there are things that, to me, are only
conjecture.
Martin: That’s a slippery slope.
Dean: It is. I know there is a facility at
Dulce, but WHO runs it,
and WHAT it’s all about—I won’t even get into that because I don’t
have any first-hand information. All I’ve had is second-hand or
third-hand, so I’ll tell you that there IS a facility there, and
apparently we’re involved with it. And I say “us”, the United States
government, and then, God damn it, anymore it’s even difficult to
tell who the hell we’re talking about with THAT!
Martin: Which
faction?
Dean: Yeah, which group. You see, as I’ve said many times,
the
government the people think they’ve got is not the government that
is.
Martin: Right, absolutely right.
Dean: And most people haven’t the slightest clue about it. But you
were talking, earlier, about “underground”—theirs or ours? Well,
there are both. We’ve got a massive underground facility. The
“off-worlders” have, well, unbelievable capabilities and technology.
So, it’s a very thin line between which is which.
And, if we are, indeed, co-operating with at least one of these
groups, and there’s a hell of a lot of evidence that we ARE, that we
have a relationship, a semi-unofficial, official relationship with
one of these groups, you can’t really say anymore: Is it ours, or is
it theirs? It could be both. And, you know, if I were to see David
[Icke] again—I haven’t seen him for a time—I’d sit down and say:
“Hey, guy, you better cool off, because the Reptilians are running
everything.” [Laughter]
Martin: [Laughter]
Dean: I haven’t read his new book. It’s on the stands here in
Sedona, and I was thinking of picking up a copy. But I would,
jokingly, say to him: “Hey, David, it’s worse than you imagine.” I’m
sure that would throw him.
Martin: I’m sure that’s true, too.
Dean: Well, it IS true. The story is EVEN BIGGER. But that’s one of
the reasons, Rick, why the lid is being kept down on this.
Can you imagine if the average
Joe Blow out there, the average guy
who sits there in front of his tube, watching the world series, if
he were to get exposed to some of this, what would it do to him?
Martin: He might pop a cork.
Dean: He might pop a cork, yeah. And there’s a lot of people running
lose out there with popped corks right now.
Martin: [Laughter]
Dean: I read about them in the paper. And you run into them, now and
then, on the streets. I say this, not cruelly; I’m not trying to be
cruel. But there are a lot of people living “on the edge” out there.
I’ve almost come to the point where I have to agree with some of the
guys who I run into in the intelligence agencies, who say:
“Hey, no,
we can’t let this out; it’s too God damn big. People aren’t ready
for it, yet.”
Well, I’m almost to a point of agreeing with them on
some of this, Rick. I really do. There are people out there who just
aren’t ready for HALF of what we’re talking about.
Martin: We’re talking on the outer fringes here.
Dean: You bet we
are. And I commend you for the work you are doing. People like you,
and people like David, are bringing light into the room, at least.
So keep up what you’re doing, guy.
Martin: I’m not planning on stopping any time soon.
Dean: Don’t get
discouraged. You may, one of these days, run into some people who
will decide to say to you:
“Hey, knock it off. You’ve done enough.”
And I don’t want to say
that. I’m not trying to predict here, but you may run into some of
that one of these days. I’ve run into a couple of them myself.
Martin: How did you handle that?
Dean: Well, I’m so God damned ornery, you know, my infantry
background.
Martin: [Laughter]
Dean: I don’t take it lightly when somebody sort-of
subtlety
threatens me. And I’ve said to a couple of them that I pack iron,
and if you want to mess with me, go ahead, but it would be terrible
if you send some good kid with a wife and kids after me, and I blow
him away. I carry guns. I was trained to use them. And in Arizona
you can pack iron, any time. All you’ve got to do is have a permit
to cover it up. Well, I’ve been known to carry mine around
everywhere. Not that I’m paranoid, now. [Laughter]
Martin: With your background—
Dean: I feel it’s prudent to carry a gun. Anyhow, I’ve had a couple
of them, subtly, threaten me. And I’ve said “Well, go right ahead.”
I’ve lived a long life, and I’ve seen a hell of a lot, and if you
guys want to mess with me, fine. But just be careful.
Martin: You’re trained.
Dean: I’m a ticking bomb. I joke about it, but it’s the only thing I
can do. I came out of Korea with posttraumatic stress syndrome. And
then I picked up another dose while I was in Nam. And so, I jokingly
share this with friends, and I say “You know, I got two doses of
this, so I’m a ticking bomb. Don’t mess with me.” And I told these
guys. I had a few phone calls, and a couple of visits. And I’ve said
“Screw-off, because I can’t be trusted. I just might shoot one of
you guys and that would be terrible, because I don’t want to kill
anybody else before I die.” I don’t want to carry that on my
conscience.
Martin: Well, that’s fair notice.
Dean: And they have, generally, left me alone. I think they figure
that I’m basically harmless.
Martin: Well, obviously
Bill Cooper is
no longer on the planet.
Dean: I haven’t heard from Bill in a long time.
Martin: He was taken-out a couple of days ago.
Dean: Oh, really? Where did this happen?
Martin: At his home.
Dean: I had no idea this had happened. Well, they had primed
Bill,
over the years, emotionally and psychologically they had primed him.
I’m sorry to hear it. I liked Bill. We didn’t always agree on
everything, but hell, nobody does. Sorry to hear that, that’s
terrible. He left a family behind. God bless him. He’s got some
answers now, no question about it.
Martin: While I have you on the line, it was such an eloquent and
beautiful interview that we had last time, I don’t want to detract
from that by over-doing it, or anything. Is there anything that we
didn’t cover that you would like to talk about?
Dean: You know, honest to God, there is a hell of a lot,
Rick, that
we haven’t covered, but that’s par for the course.
There is so much out there,
and there are so many
ramifications to this reality,
and it’s so complicated, and
so devious, and it’s been
going on for such a long
time. And we have major
groups within the United
States Government power
center, whoever the hell
they are, who are involved
with this, that there is no
end to what you could
discuss and theorize about.
Martin: Let’s talk about
time manipulation.
Dean: Well, there’s no
question that we’ve had it
demonstrated; that’s been
demonstrated to us
repeatedly, how they can
manipulate time. And when
you consider that, Rick, that
opens up a Pandora’s Box
of absolute infinity, because our old-fashioned ideas of
time are so set in stone, and
so primitive, this idea that
“linear time” is all there is,
we can’t even begin to
grasp the other possibilities.
Only quantum physicists
can begin to grasp what
time really is.
And then you have the mystics and the theologians who say that there
is really no such thing as time. Time is simply a way that we humans
have to, sort of, put a little order in our lives. There’s no limit
where you can go when you realize that there are technologies out
there that can manipulate time.
Martin:
Al Bielek, in two recent interviews I’ve done with him
within the last two weeks, he just flatly says “We are, right now,
involved in a time war.” He believes there are two alien factions
involved, but he can’t put any more together than that. And that
SOUNDS so “out there” to the average person. To even make a comment
like that, they call the guys in white coats.
Dean: I know
Al. I hope he’s well. I hope he’s hanging in there. To
my knowledge Al has never packed any iron, and he won’t end up like
Bill, I guess.
Martin: In a way, I’m kind of surprised you haven’t
been messed with.
Dean: Well, they have, subtly. Let me tell you something. And I’ve
answered this, a few times, by people who have interviewed me.
People say “How are you able to get away with what you do?”
And I said “The only thing I can give you is that I’m saying
something that someone wants me to say, or I wouldn’t be getting
away with this. And that someone, I won’t tell you whether they are
at Langley, whether they’re at Fort Mead, or God knows where. I must
be saying something that someone wants said, or I wouldn’t be
getting away with it. Because I’ve said quite a bit about our own
underground “secret, classified” activities. You know, one of the
things that I’m involved with now is, I’m trying to blow the lid on
this thing in Antarctica.
Martin: That was another subject I wanted
to talk to you about.
Dean: At Lake Vostok. The
Lake Vostok scandal is a world-wide
scandal.
Martin: Are you talking about the nuclear thing?
Dean: I’m talking
about the lake that exists there, right near the Russian research
facility in Antarctica. That’s an interview.
Martin: Let’s go there. [Laughter]
Dean: We were talking about probable locations of “off-worlders” on
the planet, where they have their facilities.
You know, one of the facilities is, apparently, an R & R facility.
Would you believe that?
Martin: That’s interesting to hear. It would make sense, wouldn’t
it? Are you talking about the one in Cebu, Philippines?
Dean: I don’t know which one it is.
Ingo Swann has said that they
remote viewed all of them, or as many as they could. And every time
they went into them, remote viewing them, the “off-worlders” knew
about their presence, that they were there.
Martin: They were felt.
Dean: Yes, they sensed them. They knew that they were present. And
he says, interestingly enough, one appeared to be like a resort,
where off-planet intelligences go to relax and unwind. [Laughter]
Martin: Why not?
Dean: I can imagine—listen, if I were assigned to this planet, and I
had to deal with human beings, I would need some R & R.
Martin: [Laughter]
Dean: I kid you not. I would need quite a bit of it.
Martin: Ok, let’s go back to Antarctica.
Dean: Well, apparently,
this is what’s interesting. Our NASA people, and
JPL, some years
back, I think it was back in ’97, with some of their satellite
remote viewing and remote sensing—you know, they’ve got some
technologies that are absolutely amazing, that can take pictures
underground, sub-surface radar. Some of our satellites are pretty
incredible. Well, apparently NASA had been doing some research, from
space, over Antarctica, some time back. There’s a whole lot of
different programs underway. One of them is the—what is it? The
layer that seems to be getting smaller?
Martin: Ozone.
Dean: The ozone layer, they’ve been studying that for a long time.
We’ve evidently had a satellite poised, or several of them, poised
over Antarctica that have been doing some picture taking for a long
time. Through the research with the Russians, we learned that there
is AN ENORMOUS LAKE, not too far from the Russian Antarctica
facility, which the Russians named. Now, this lake is UNDER THE ICE.
And all I’ll tell you is what I’ve learned about it. But that
strikes me as, probably, one of the MAJOR “off-worlder”
facilities.
This lake is 300 miles long. It’s 50 miles wide. The water level is,
apparently, 2,000 feet deep, and it’s fresh water.
NOW, OVER THE LAKE IS AN
ICE-DOME, HALF A
MILE HIGH. Now, this lake is apparently
“encapsulated”—if you get my picture. 300 miles long, 50 miles wide,
2,000 feet deep, and over the lake is an ice dome half a mile high.
Now, that in itself is interesting. That’s why NASA has been
fascinated. JPL has been up to their ears in this thing, trying to
learn as much as they can about it.
Martin: Now, where is this in relation to the
Nazi base?
Dean: Ah,
well, you’ve done some homework. The question is: Is it the same
place?
Now, they also learned that at one end of Lake Vostok is a
massive
magnetic anomaly, which is what they’ve described as an enormous
concentration of metal, apparently. An enormous concentration of
metal which, apparently, is so massive that it causes a magnetic
anomaly, that they can sense it; they can see it from space, monitor
it from space. And the question arose: Could it be a city? Could it
be a facility? Is there some kind of ongoing activity there, a
facility, where all this metal is from?
And then, my first thought was, is that where the
old Nazi sub-pins
are? Because there’s no question in my mind that before the end of
the war they were so advanced that these guys—there’s something like
100 submarines that were never accounted for. I don’t know whether
that’s an accurate figure or not, but I’ve heard it said that there
are 100 of their latest, top-line subs that were never accounted
for.
So, this question about this magnetic anomaly at one end of
Lake Vostok strikes me that we’re either dealing with an “off-worlder”
facility, or a
Nazi facility.
Martin: Or both.
Dean: Or both! [laughter] Because we know that
the Nazis were
getting some technology from some of them [extraterrestrials] before
the end of the war.
Martin: Well, and the Nazis were involved in
Montauk, too, directly.
Dean: Apparently so, yeah. But
the Hanebu that the Nazis were
flying, the Hanebu-4 was, apparently, an antigravity device, the
line of circular disks that the Nazis were flying, toward the end.
And the
Hanebu-4 was big! Well, I figured that they got a lot of
their technology from the “off-worlders”. Not that they did it
themselves, because they were brilliant enough. Old Wernher [von
Braun, the rocket genius] knew that before he died. He even talked
to a few people about it.
Martin: We haven’t run the story about
Hitler dying in South America
at a ripe old age, but we’ve talked about it among ourselves, quite
a few times.
Dean: You’re dealing with a field, with an area that is, literally,
unlimited, Rick. You open one door and there are 6 or 7 more right
behind it.
Martin: [Laughter]
Dean: That’s why I take my hat off to you. You’re doing something, I
think, well worthwhile. So keep it up, guy.
Martin: Thank you for your time. I’ll be sending you this story,
including Credo’s interviews. I did a brief one with him a few
months ago, in which he made a plea to the elite on the planet to
stop the genocide in Africa. I’ll also be sending you a new
interview I did with David Icke, which we published on September 11,
of all dates.
Dean: I’d love to read any of that. Just in closing,
you hit on—my mind is going a mile a minute here. Some of these
programs, like what Credo was talking about, genocide—those are
planned programs, Rick. Those are
planned programs to cut the
population down.
Martin: Right.
Dean: And they’re not only applicable to some of these pathetic
people in Africa.
Martin: Oh, no, it’s global.
Dean: That’s a global program. Now, the question I have is: Is it
our dark, black forces doing it? Or is it the “off-worlders” doing
it? Or, are they involved together? We’re facing what appears to be
massive, global genocide, and that really pisses me off.
Martin: I had heard, a number of years ago through a “channeled”
source, that the planet will, in balance, hold about 600-800
million. And that seems to be the global elite figure, roughly in
that ballpark.
Dean: They’ve done these studies and there’s some truth to it.
Martin: So they’re trying to prune it down from 6 or 7 billion. But
that agenda seems to have been thrown askew, in part, through public
exposure of that agenda. Although it’s still happening in Africa.
Dean: They’ll just take another tack. They’ll close that door and
open a few others.
It’s a hell of a tale, my boy, it’s a hell of a tale. And hang in
there. And thank you for your courtesy.
Martin: Well thank you for
calling me back. I appreciate it, very much.
